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Ben F
(tekhna) - F
Red meat is killing you on 03/12/2012 21:10:49 MDT Print View

http://www.latimes.com/health/la-he-red-meat-20120313,0,565423.story


Eating red meat — any amount and any type — appears to significantly increase the risk of premature death, according to a long-range study that examined the eating habits and health of more than 110,000 adults for more than 20 years.


I know Paleo is pretty popular around here, although it seems like people here do it more sensibly than some of the people I know who do it, but this sounds all kinds of bad.

Jeffs Eleven
(WoodenWizard) - F

Locale: Greater Mt Tabor
Re: Red meat is killing you on 03/12/2012 21:31:06 MDT Print View

Good.

Who's got my burger?
-Gorgonzola, lettuce, red onion, hold the tomatoes.

James Landro
(justaddfuel) - F

Locale: MN
Re: Red meat is killing you on 03/12/2012 21:37:30 MDT Print View

Here is a nice rebuttal - http://www.selfnourish.com/wordpress/?p=105

I mean, these people eating red meat, every day of the study, are they eating mcdonalds? If so, kinda biased statement to lump in all red meat. Was this funded by peta? Also, I am not convinced that chicken or turkey are any better.

Ben F
(tekhna) - F
Re: Re: Red meat is killing you on 03/12/2012 21:39:42 MDT Print View

They clearly distinguish between processed and unprocessed meats in the study. They also aren't saying that people who eat meat every day and people who only very occasionally eat meat have the same risk level--higher amounts of meat eaten have a higher risk. What they are saying that even an absolutely minimal amount of meat can cause harm. 110,000 people is kind of an enormous population sample.

Edited by tekhna on 03/12/2012 21:43:00 MDT.

John S.
(jshann) - F
Re: Red meat is killing you on 03/12/2012 21:41:21 MDT Print View

This belongs in Chaff.

Travis Leanna
(T.L.) - MLife

Locale: Wisconsin
Re: Re: Red meat is killing you on 03/12/2012 21:43:33 MDT Print View

Mmmmm. Meat.

Seriously though. What isn't killing us?

Ken Thompson
(kthompson) - MLife
Red meat is killing you on 03/12/2012 21:46:30 MDT Print View

Bacon!

Dave U
(FamilyGuy) - F

Locale: Rockies
Re: Red meat is killing you on 03/12/2012 22:33:21 MDT Print View

And the Paleo's say...What?

Luke Schmidt
(Cameron) - MLife

Locale: The WOODS
Whats really killing you on 03/12/2012 23:22:52 MDT Print View

Water is killing us. 100% of those who drink water die.

Miguel Arboleda
(butuki) - MLife

Locale: Kanto Plain, Japan
Re: Whats really killing you on 03/12/2012 23:32:27 MDT Print View

This thread is killing me. Think I'll go have some red water.

Jeremy B.
(requiem) - F

Locale: Northern California
Re: Re: Red meat is killing you on 03/12/2012 23:40:27 MDT Print View

And the Paleo's say...What?

No idea; haven't read the study yet. I can repeat the standard disclaimers if you like, it's the usual blurbs about confounding factors, study design, etc.

Joe Clement
(skinewmexico) - MLife

Locale: Southwest
Red meat is killing you on 03/12/2012 23:55:18 MDT Print View

I don't care. The 12 oz. filet I had tonight bordered on mythical.

Ben 2 World
(ben2world) - MLife

Locale: So Cal
Re: Red meat is killing you on 03/13/2012 00:03:54 MDT Print View

Maybe it's worth reminding everyone that we've been dying since the day we were born! So, my goal is to live both long enough and happy enough. Umm, please throw another slab on the barbie for me will ya? Oh, and more shrimp please.

Justin Baker
(justin_baker) - F

Locale: west coast best coast
Re: Red meat is killing you on 03/13/2012 00:09:58 MDT Print View

Just hike it off.

jerry adams
(retiredjerry) - MLife

Locale: Oregon and Washington
Re: Red meat is killing you on 03/13/2012 06:58:56 MDT Print View

Is grass fed beef the same as your typical corn fed beef?

Chad Miller
(chadnsc)

Locale: Duluth, Minnesota
Re: Red meat is killing you on 03/13/2012 07:10:42 MDT Print View

To the OP: Bullsh#*t!

Scott S
(sschloss1) - F

Locale: New England
Confirmation bias on 03/13/2012 07:42:39 MDT Print View

I love these kinds of discussion threads because they exhibit one of the most interesting psychological traits that people show: confirmation bias. Basically, when people have a belief, they tend to accept evidence that supports their belief, but they reject evidence that contradicts it. So, folks who think that eating meat is okay find reasons to think that this study is BS.

Sadly, this is the same reasoning that allows people to believe all sorts of demonstrably untrue things: that Obama is a Muslim, that 9/11 was an inside job, that Iraq had WMDs.

I like to live by Bill Maher's words: "Science is made by scientists, not idiots."

Edited by sschloss1 on 03/13/2012 07:43:24 MDT.

Katharina ....
(Kat_P) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Coast
Re: Confirmation bias on 03/13/2012 07:49:34 MDT Print View

" Basically, when people have a belief, they tend to accept evidence that supports their belief, but they reject evidence that contradicts it. So, folks who think that eating meat is okay find reasons to think that this study is BS."

True on both sides of this.

Ben F
(tekhna) - F
Re: Red meat is killing you on 03/13/2012 07:50:53 MDT Print View

I don't totally understand the intense cognitive dissonance surrounding meat. Just as an example, Joe, you list in your about me wanting to avoid a heart attack, and then cheerfully boast of huge slabs of meat; meat that we've known for a long time will give you hear disease. I wonder why people do this with meat and not something like smoking?
I get that vegans and vegetarians can be obnoxiously sanctimonious and smug, but we've known for decades that red meat is incredibly bad for us. The McGovern commission in the 70s recommended we eat less meat, but industry completely flipped out about it and buried the suggestions.

Scott S
(sschloss1) - F

Locale: New England
Re: Confirmation bias on 03/13/2012 07:52:10 MDT Print View

"True on both sides."

Show me a study that eating read meat extends lifespan, and I will be open to it.