Alan,

If you get a chance to do some testing, let us know how it goes. I'd be very interested in hearing your results.

HJ
Adventures In Stoving

I don't get the comments about the Ti-Tri setup. I just did it for the first time since last fall and at a normal pace I did it in 90 seconds. I did it once more as fast as I could and did it in 42 seconds. It's pretty easy and quick. Shoot it took 22 seconds to setup the H-Keg. I understand if you do want things to go as fast as possible but personally I'm not worried about saving 30-60 seconds. I leave that mindset at the office and backpack to get away from it. It takes longer to gather the wood and start the fire than to setup. And it takes longer to cool down than to pack it.

There are more pieces to deal with and possibly lose. I lost the little wire grate support and kept forgetting to replace it so I used small rocks which worked just find. I finally remembered when sending it to HJ for testing and cut a slightly heavier replacement. But Jim asked the guys at TD for a replacement when he saw them at the GGG outing and they gave him one for mine. Thanks Jim! And thanks to the guys at TD.

I hope I didn't imply that the ti-tri set up was at all difficult. My point was only that in comparing the bushbuddy to the "standard" ti-tri, the bushbuddy fit in my pot and required no setup. The ti-tri took up more space, required some set up, and it was easy to misplace pieces (as you did). Because I use it primarily as a woodburner, the choice was a no-brainer for me. This was not at all to disparage the ti-tri, which is clearly a reasonable choice for those with a smaller packing option like the sidewinder or an interest in multifuel setups.

On a side note, can anyone comment on the BPL wood burning state of the market review here

In this review, using the inferno with a ti-tri lengthened boil times in all tests compared to the ti-tri alone. I was surprised that no one ever commented on this. Anyone else have a similar experience? Is this accurate? Maybe a factor of having a smaller fire?

I hadn't seen that. I've never timed the boils but it seems really fast. The only test I did was try it with and without the inferno. The only difference I saw was that the wood burns completely with the inferno and there was some left without.

HJ said
"Alan, If you get a chance to do some testing, let us know how it goes. I'd be very interested in hearing your results."

Sorry, I don;t have a TD Ti cone:

I was just suggesting that I think it should be possible to make an all in one insert which matches or approaches the infernos performance. It would seem a cheap experiment for someone who does have a ti cone.

I suspect the inferno's conic shape might be not that important, in which case a halfway house might be to use a spotwelded foldable ti cylinder instead (like suluk46 spotwelded ti windscreens).

using the inferno with a ti-tri lengthened boil times in all tests compared to the ti-tri alone. I was surprised that no one ever commented on this. Anyone else have a similar experience? Is this accurate? Maybe a factor of having a smaller fire?

I wonder if a simpler alternative to the TiTri inferno would be the Ti caldera but with a raised mesh grate:

ie just a single wall "TLUD" style. This would just need a circular mesh grate (and either supports or cutout in cone for it to rest on).

Edited by ahbradley on 03/23/2012 08:57:14 MDT.

Alan,

One of the nice things about the design of the grate as it stands now is that the grate will lie down flat inside your pot. If you remove the inner Inferno cone, you'll have a much larger area, and you'll need a larger grate in order for it to be practical. You then have to figure out how to pack the grate. I don't really see an advantage.

HJ
Adventures In Stoving

You could make the grate out of a suitable bendy material (e.g. perforated Ti foil) and just roll up with the cone. The advantage is just quicker set-up / less parts compared to the standard inferno set-up.

As the outer cone is wider than the inferno, the above mentioned grate could be mounted higher (for same fuel capacity as inferno) which would mean the proposed single-cone-style grate could be narrower than if at same height as standard one (but probably still wider than the standard inferno grate).

Edited by ahbradley on 03/23/2012 13:16:56 MDT.

Great comparison, thank you for posting.

Not wanting to start a new thread for a simple question, can someone tell me how to properly roll up the two floor pieces? I have a Sidwinder and the Caldera Cone itself is easy to roll up into a cone because it's long and thing. However, the two floor half circles are harder to bend and I am not sure how they should be sandwiched into the Tyvek sleeve. Any pictures or descriptions would be appreciated.

I've got the Inferno Option with my cone, so I have the smaller, one-piece floor. With the one-piece floor, I just roll it and put it inside the cone inside the Tyvek sleeve.

I imagine that it should work the same way with the two-piece, but I don't have a two-piece floor, so I can't speak from experience. I wouldn't worry about damaging the Ti or something if that's your concern. Rolling it hurts it not at all. Ti is very tough stuff.

Rand from Trail Designs frequently monitors these forums, so he may comment.

HJ
Adventures In Stoving

Jim, would you know how the Ti-Tri Inferno and Bushbuddy (both of which I have) compare to the Four Dogs BushCooker LT2? The LT2 seems like it might be good compromise between the two, and certainly the easiest to set up... just take it out and light it. Aslo the sturdiest of the bunch.

Miguel,

I apologize, but I don't know. I'm currently evaluating the Backcountry Boiler and the FireFly, but I haven't ever seen a Four Dogs BushCooker. There are an awful lot of wood burners out there. :)

I'll try and contact them and see if they're interested in me having a look.

HJ
Adventures In Stoving