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Ultralight is hurting my son's grades
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Rutherford Platt
(tunaboy999) - F

Locale: Mid Atlantic
Ultralight is hurting my son's grades on 03/09/2012 06:26:45 MST Print View

In 3rd grade math, my son had to estimate which weighed more: a full water bottle or a sleeping bag. He chose the water bottle (of course) and was marked wrong! Sheesh...

Sean Heenan

Locale: Southeast mountains
enlightened teacher on 03/09/2012 06:47:56 MST Print View

You'll have to request a teachers conference and explain ultralight backpacking and get that grade changed. Of course maybe the teacher is using that brand new ultralight water and water bottle.

Ken T.
(kthompson) - MLife

Locale: All up in there
Re: Ultralight is hurting my son's grades on 03/09/2012 06:50:23 MST Print View

Did they specify size of said water bottle or give a degree rating for the sleeping bag? I bet not. Not enough data to come to any conclusion. Dismiss the question.

This is an outrage!

Cesar Valdez
(PrimeZombie) - F

Locale: Scandinavia
Simple solution on 03/09/2012 06:55:05 MST Print View

Bring a full 1 liter water bottle (even a with a Platypus this will be about 1025g), bring your sleeping bag (my 3 season bag is 645g), and bring a scale next time your son's class has show and tell or for your next parent/teacher meeting.

Luke Schmidt
(Cameron) - MLife

Locale: The WOODS
My solution on 03/09/2012 08:10:38 MST Print View

Pull the kid out and put him in an online school or homeschool him yourself. No more stupid questions and he will be free to hike with you more:)

P. Larson
(reacttocontact) - F
Re: Simple solution on 03/09/2012 09:28:25 MST Print View

I totally agree with Cesar's comment.

Steven Hanlon
(asciibaron) - F

Locale: Mid Atlantic
references... on 03/09/2012 13:28:00 MST Print View

my wife is a teacher and i have tried to explain to her that her references are not universal and what seems an obvious answer to her can be misleading or completely incorrect.

even with us approaching 40, the times have changed quite a bit... her students this year had no idea that an LP record is 12 inches or what a 45 was. one of the kids said a "45" was about 6 inches long and held 18 in the clip. she marked his correct.

i'm going to ask her the question here and see what she says.

i never thought about it, but my 3 season bag weighs less than a liter of water. wow.

Hk Newman
(hknewman) - MLife

Locale: Western US
Re: Ultralight is hurting my son's grades on 03/09/2012 13:41:32 MST Print View

Not sure about grade-school kids but eventually all students need to learn about density relative to water (you can get online and look at your state's science objectives) as per internations science standards and the new SAT II (unless they've given up on adding science to the SAT - add that's the college entrance exam for the USA).

Edited by hknewman on 03/09/2012 13:42:15 MST.

Luke Schmidt
(Cameron) - MLife

Locale: The WOODS
Re reference on 03/09/2012 16:31:24 MST Print View

Its just too fuzzy. Maybe a kid from another culture will think "water bottle" means a five gallon jerry jug. Its not fair to penalize kids for not know totally irrelevent information.

Ben 2 World
(ben2world) - MLife

Locale: So Cal
Re: Ultralight is hurting my son's grades on 03/09/2012 18:03:04 MST Print View

Teacher salaries being what they are... the poor teacher probably camps with a rectangular Hollofil bag with flannel lining. And those weigh a couple bottles of water at least! So don't "show and tell" your '900 fp down featherlite' bag. That would be heartless. :)

Edited by ben2world on 03/09/2012 21:45:55 MST.

Leigh Baker

Locale: Northeast Texas Pineywoods
Ben2World on 03/09/2012 19:18:30 MST Print View

As a teacher you had me laughing out loud with that one, and I agree it would be cruel :)

Steven Hanlon
(asciibaron) - F

Locale: Mid Atlantic
spoke to my wife on 03/09/2012 19:31:56 MST Print View

my wife the teacher said "how big is the bottle?" she said the question was too vague and therefore could be correct with either answer. she would give your son extra points if he could explain why he was correct (what information is lacking in the question or weights compared).

she said your son should make it a point to go back to the teacher and explain why he choose that answer and to do it with a smile.


in thinking about it, the teacher was actually right, why are you carrying that water, you shouldn't cross any springs or streams with a full water bottle. your bottle should weigh about an ounce, your sleeping bag is at least twice as heavy as that! what are you teaching your son??? ;)

Edited by asciibaron on 03/09/2012 19:35:37 MST.