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Katabatic Palisade
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Ultralite Hiker
Katabatic Palisade on 03/06/2012 12:43:13 MST Print View

Does anyone have an opinion on how a Wide Palisade with 3oz of overfill would work for a week on the JMT at high elevation the last week of September?


Randy Martin
(randalmartin) - F

Locale: Colorado
Re: Katabatic Palisade on 03/06/2012 13:12:11 MST Print View

I would expect overnight lows at that time could reach 20 on the low end. A 30 Katabatic quilt (True to their ratings as I have experienced) would work if you had good insulating layers to add to the mix. My guess is you would want a down parka of some sort anyway at that time of year so I think you could make that work to extend the warmth a bit.

Conner D
(cdipaolo) - F

Locale: SoCal
Re: Katabatic Palisade on 03/06/2012 15:01:33 MST Print View

With a bivy I have taken my Palisade in a VERY windy joshua tree night. Aaron is very conservative with the rating and it is probably accurate without clothes or a bivy in no wind. I am taking mine on a section of the JMT in August and it should be fine if the weather is similar to the High Sierra Trail last year.

Stephan Doyle
Re: Katabatic Palisade on 03/06/2012 17:07:27 MST Print View

Aaron's temperature ratings are conservative. Look at all the new 32º bags coming out with 10oz of down in them – Aaron sticks that much in a quilt for lofty, warm, gooey, goodness.

My Palisade is my favorite bag/quilt I've laid eyes on.

Ultralite Hiker
Overfill on 03/06/2012 21:59:10 MST Print View

Mine has 3 oz of overfill, bringing the total down fill to 14.3 oz in a Wide Palisade. I am hoping for 20 degrees with some down socks and some warmer sleep clothes.

Jack H.
(Found) - F

Locale: Sacramento, CA
Re: Katabatic Palisade on 03/06/2012 22:44:35 MST Print View

I've taken four, week long, last week of September High Sierra trips. I'd encourage you to plan for lows as low as 15 degrees above 12,000ft.

Edited by Found on 03/06/2012 22:45:24 MST.

Ultralite Hiker
Hmm on 03/06/2012 22:46:42 MST Print View

Seems like I will need a new bag then. 15 degrees is probably stretching my bag too far. That is too bad, because I have 2 bags now that cover 100% of my typical trips.

Edited by Ultralite on 03/06/2012 22:58:48 MST.

Jason G
(JasonG) - F

Locale: iceberg lake
Re: Hmm on 03/06/2012 23:08:50 MST Print View

Is your palisade a long? I have a Sawatch Long that i'd consider trading..

Ultralite Hiker
Reg on 03/07/2012 06:01:43 MST Print View

No, regular length wide version.

Serge Giachetti
(sgiachetti) - M

Locale: Boulder, CO
enough on 03/07/2012 06:42:11 MST Print View

I wouldn't buy a new bag just because 15 is a possibility (or even likelihood). With a parka & 3oz overfill I bet you'd be fine. If you get a little cold, do some pushups and cram some trailmix. Being a touch cold for one night is preferable to spending hundreds extra for another bag IMO.

Another thing you could do is shake the down toward the center of the bag and cinch it tighter around you. Should be close to as warm as the sawatch that way (14.6 vs. 15oz down)

Edited by sgiachetti on 03/07/2012 06:45:24 MST.