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Granite Gear Crown V.C. 60 Arrived!
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kevperro .
(kevperro) - F

Locale: Washington State
Tough Customers on 05/20/2012 10:14:09 MDT Print View

You guys are tough customers. My large is maybe slightly longer than I need but I have no problem with the foam back nor the shoulder straps compared to my ULA Catalyst. It is different but at this point both will carry my 12-20lb load all day in comfort.

What I worry about more is the longevity of the stretch mesh pockets. It looks like a stray stick or bush could tear them.

I'm using it frameless also which puts the weight at 30oz.

Alina G
(Alina) - MLife

Locale: Toronto, Ontario
Which size (Granite Gear Crown 60 Ki) should I get? on 08/21/2012 00:36:37 MDT Print View

Hi
I would greatly appreciate your help in terms of sizing the Granite Gear Crown VC 60 for me. I am planning on getting the women’s version. I am a little confused about the measurements. When measuring the length of torso do I press the measuring tape right up against the spine, following the curvature, or run the tape from the neck to the hips in a straight line? The first method will make the measurement a little longer. I did use the second method and my torso was 17and ¼”
Regarding waist I know that I am to measure at hip crest. Easier said than done. Is it somewhere around the belly button? If yes, then I am 36” but the measurement was taken right on the skin. I guess I need extra space for clothing. Maybe a jacket, fleece etc. as well. How much extra do I allow for clothing? I see that some guys talk about waist measurement not the hip crest. I guess it is because guys measure the same whether at the hip or at the waist?
Based on the above should I go for short torso and large belt? I am surprised that I am short torso as I am 5’6” which is not short for a woman and I think that I am proportionate.
Does anyone have the optional belt pockets? Do you find them useful? Do you have one or two of them? I am not sure if I should get them or not.
Does anyone have the lid?
Thank you in advance.
Alina

Tim Heckel
(ThinAir) - M

Locale: 6237' - Manitou Springs
4 straps on 09/14/2012 15:08:56 MDT Print View

Do you really have to undo 4 straps to access the main pack body? It sure looks that way from the photos.

John Coyle
(Bigsac)

Locale: NorCal
Granite Gear Crown V.C. 60 Arrived! on 09/14/2012 17:14:39 MDT Print View

I have had a GG Crown 60 for about 9 months. Yes you have to undo four clips to get into the main pack body. Rolling up the top is what takes the longest. At the most it takes 10 seconds--usually less. It is not a problem for me. I like the roll top. It is one of my favorite features about the pack.

kevperro .
(kevperro) - F

Locale: Washington State
4-straps on 09/15/2012 16:44:14 MDT Print View

I agree... it isn't as bad as it looks. I miss my hip-belt pockets though so I'm eye-balling the Zpacks pouch. I've put about 12-days on the pack and still feel the same about it.

Good pack but we shall see about longevity. I still use my Catalyst too and if I had to carry 25+ lbs I'd take the Catalyst.

Delmar O'Donnell
(Bolster)

Locale: Between Jacinto & Gorgonio
Alternate Framesheet Questions on 04/03/2014 12:14:05 MDT Print View

If you're going to carry gear at the higher end of the comfort range for the Crown VC (let's say around 30 lbs), does it make sense to look for a different, stiffer framesheet? Or perhaps add another sheet to the first (there's plenty of room in the framesheet pocket)?

If yes, where might one find a stiffer framesheet? I noticed on the Nimbus Trace, they're now using maple wood (!) as the framesheet. Makes me wonder if 1/8" plywood would work.

I have a kneel pad made of blue CC foam. Trimmed it to fit into the Crown's framesheet pocket, would that increase stiffness and thus carrying capacity? Or would it just pad my back a bit more?

In which dimension is the stiffness important? Do you want the sheet stiff top-to-bottom, a vertical stiffness that resists folding/collapsing from top to bottom? (If so, the existing Crown VC sheet is not very stiff in this dimension). Or is the stiffness important in the horizontal dimension, ie, that it resists conforming to your back? Based on all the aluminum-stay type frames you see, I'm guessing you want little flexibility in the vertical dimension (so the top of the pack does not fold/sag down) but you DO want flexibility in the horizontal dimension (so the frame moves with your back).

If the vertical stiffness is the important one, than simply adding one or two flat aluminum stays, oriented vertically, to the existing framesheet, might stiffen the Crown VC for heavier loads.

Edited by Bolster on 04/03/2014 12:19:24 MDT.

Larry De La Briandais
(Hitech) - F

Locale: SF Bay Area
Re: Alternate Framesheet Questions on 04/03/2014 12:36:21 MDT Print View

"If the vertical stiffness is the important one, then simply adding one or two flat aluminum stays, oriented vertically, to the existing framesheet, might stiffen the Crown VC for heavier loads."

If you are using a tent that has poles you can use the pole(s) as a additional stays. That is what I do in my GG Vapor Trail and I think it works great. The pack does not sag at all with 35 lbs. I put them in the back "pocket" in a V shape.

Clayton Mauritzen
(GlacierRambler) - F - M

Locale: NW Montana
Re: Re: Alternate Framesheet Questions on 04/03/2014 13:28:35 MDT Print View

I played around extensively with the framesheet with the Crown, and personally, I would look toward an aluminum stay system for that weight.

The Gossamer Gear stay in size Large is a perfect match to go up to the load lifters on the Regular Crown. I imagine it would work very, very well to sew webbing channels on a very light plastic sheet. You wouldn't need the full thickness that GG uses--it would mostly be there to do what a framesheet does best, to keep the stuff in your pack from poking into your back. All the load transfer would be provided by the stays, and with Granite Gear's hipbelt attachment, they would have direct contact and strong load transfer to the belt.

A more efficient, but far more difficult strategy would be to sew some webbing channels directly on the pack itself. They wouldn't (probably couldn't) be the full length of the back panel, but if you open up the seams (be really careful! this is dangerous!) you maybe cover the necessary parts so that it would stay in place without moving. It would all have to be spot on, though, because the way GG designed the pack requires a certain amount of tension along the back to keep things in place.

Dave U
(FamilyGuy) - F

Locale: Rockies
Re: Re: Alternate Framesheet Questions on 04/03/2014 13:45:33 MDT Print View

The Crown offers an optional Klymit inflatable backpad, which is stiffer than the plastic frame it comes standard with:

http://www.granitegearstore.com/Vapor-Current-AirBeam-Frame-P345C53.aspx

Delmar O'Donnell
(Bolster)

Locale: Between Jacinto & Gorgonio
Airbeam Frame on 04/03/2014 14:07:19 MDT Print View

Vapor Current Airbeam Frame...interesting, didn't know that was available. Weighs 3 oz, and the flat plastic framesheet that comes with the Crown VC is 5.6 oz. I could have a sub-2 lb pack for another $50!! Woohoo!

Blows my mind that an air bladder would be stiffer. But GG is advertising that this Airbeam Frame increases capacity to 40 lbs.

Arn Aarreberg
(aarrebea) - M

Locale: Northern Bay Area, CA
RE: Airbeam Frame on 04/03/2014 14:50:22 MDT Print View

This is very interesting and I was also unaware of this being available. Kind of makes me rethink my VC 60. I originally purchased this pack as a load hauler for longer trips and trips where I need to be the pack mule with my wife. I was disappointed with the carrying ability over 30 lbs, but, I really liked the pack overall and the hipbelt is great. This may be a simple and relatively affordable fix that decreases weight and increases comfort. Win, win!

Clayton Mauritzen
(GlacierRambler) - F - M

Locale: NW Montana
Re: RE: Airbeam Frame on 04/03/2014 15:01:14 MDT Print View

Good catch, Dave. I forgot about the Airbeam frame. I'm wondering, though, if the stiffer frame would mean that it wouldn't adapt to the shape of your back as well as bendable stays. In that respect, I would think the stays are still preferable.

But the Airbeam, if it works better than the framesheet, would be a much easier fix, especially with the current REI coupon and similar 20% off sales.

Dave U
(FamilyGuy) - F

Locale: Rockies
Re: Re: RE: Airbeam Frame on 04/03/2014 16:16:15 MDT Print View

It's similar to the system used by MLD. I wonder if any users of the Full Suspension MLD packs could comment on carry....?

Rick M
(rmjapan) - F

Locale: London, UK
Re: Re: RE: Airbeam Frame on 04/03/2014 16:41:24 MDT Print View

I picked a GG Aji w/airbeam frame a month ago as I wanted a zip panel loader pack to carry dslr camera gear. The Airbeam frame makes a BIG difference in the support as the included plastic frame sheet is a joke. Worried about inflation/deflation as I go up/down from altitude but a snow climb up the side of Mt. Fuji from sea level to ~2600m showed no problems. Only downside is it is ~1" thick so takes up some space in the already cramped Aji pack. I also bought a Klymit Inertia X Wave sleep pad and hope to use the Airbeam as a leg extension pad this Summer when I try some tarp camping.

Art Tyszka
(arttyszka) - MLife

Locale: Minnesota
Re: Re: Re: RE: Airbeam Frame on 04/03/2014 17:30:33 MDT Print View

Dave, my Exodus FS is still my go-to pack. I can't comment much on it's carrying capacity past 22 lbs, since that's about the most I've ever had in it. My base weight ranges from 8.7 - 9.3, but when I take my 10 yr old daughter total weight can hit 22+. At these loads it rides like 8# in my Murmur and is more comfortable (for me). Sorry that I can't speak to how it does at the weights you guys are talking about, but I'd expect it to do very well at 30#. Combine the good air beam stiffness and transfer with the excellent GG hip belt and you likely have a winner for 30+ loads.

Edited by arttyszka on 04/03/2014 17:36:21 MDT.