My goal: To offer the best vapor barrier synthetic quilts on the market.

Specification
Shell: 10D high water/wind resistant fabric, black
Insulation: 5oz Climashield Apex
Inner: SevenD-S, grey
SevenD-S is a 7 denier by 7 denier,  .65oz/sq/yd, micro rip-stop fabric that is silicone coated and water proof. Compared to Cuben, it is much more softer, drapes better and packs down smaller.

My quilt design features:
1) Hood, offering exceptional warmth.
2) Wide width keeps the drafts out.
3) Some of the lightest shell fabrics in the world.
4) Integrated Vapor Barrier inner, keeps sweat out of the insulation.

Interested in learning more?
You can find out more details including pricing by just sending me a email at huzefasid@gmaildotcom

I recently posted some pics of my quilt in myog forum. See.

Edited by huzefa on 06/23/2012 20:11:33 MDT.

Post some pics and lets see your quilt making mojo.

I will post them later today.

Offering mathematical weights could help give an idea of finished weights. For instance, an 85x54" quilt (pretty big) works out to 18.8oz before fasteners, which is pretty darn light.

Not personally into the vapor barrier thing, but the price point on these seems good.

Good idea.
I have made a formula for estimating weight. L*(T+B)/480
L :length
T: top width
B: bottom width

Ozzy, I am also offering a breathable inner option.

These sound great. I contacted Huzefa about the possibility of one of these quilts using SevenD/apex/SevenD, i.e. without the vapor barrier, and he said no problem. He also estimated the weight of the quilt to be under 16 ounces, which is pretty impressive as I'm 6'3", albeit a slim build. To put this into perspective this is about 4 ounces lighter than similarly spec’d quilts I’ve seen using 4oz Climashield Apex. The price point is also competitive, especially when considering that he's using the lightest (or at least one of the lightest) shell material around. Hoping that he gets 15 orders so that this can happen.

This one weighs 13.4 oz. The lenght is 70inch. Top width is 43inch, then increases to 52" after 6inches, continues straigth 24inches, then tapers to 39 inch at the bottom. I havent got the omnitape and snaps yet, so no pics of that.

Any suggestions for a name?

14DD (double D)


to signify each layer of 7d.

What do you think?

I am not sure I want to use my surname.
This is the business name I came up with in 2010.

Let me know what you think.

Edited by huzefa on 03/09/2012 10:47:41 MST.

I'm clearly not a company name guru ;o), but I wonder if the above might work better? However, your proposed name is self explanatory!

Edited by jamespjc on 03/09/2012 12:36:53 MST.

Will these be any lighter than Enlightened's .33 cuben quilts? If so, how are you making it ligher with (presumably) the same weight of insulation and a heavier outside fabric?

In short, what do you offer that Tim doesn't?

The shell and liner fabric weigh 0.65oz. So it won't be lighter then using 0.33 cuben. But it is much more softer then cuben, or any other 20d nylon fabric available in the market. You need to try it to believe how soft and luxurious it is.

It also drapes better and packs down smaller then cuben.

Edited by huzefa on 03/09/2012 13:59:00 MST.

Fair enough. That sounds quite nice.

Thanks for ideas. Keep them coming.

I am looking for a name that projects "my goal" ie. to be the highest performing insulation available.

I am surprised that there isn't much interest in synthetic quilts.

How many would be interested in custom down quilts? Contact me for more info.

"I am surprised that there isn't much interest in synthetic quilts."

Huzefa,

This may be more because your quilts are a bit of an unknown at this point. Perhaps getting one into the hands of 1 or 2 people for a review that would be posted up here on BPL would go a long way to generating some interest and comfort level. That process may generate some great feedback that may/may not want to be incorporated into the final product.

That...and need more pictures. Get in the thing and show how the footbox is formed and closes off, how it fits/drapes, stuff it into something and put it beside the old standby nalgene for volume comparison, etc. Not enough detail from the photos you have posted.

I don't the problem, Huzefa, is the insulation of the quilts, but the details.

You list a clo, but we don't know what that means. I think it's 40-45ish?

I don't know how I would close the quilt under me. Just a tuck method?

What's this omnitape footbox?


Both you and your quilts are, to a large extent, unknowns. Waiting for an order of 15 could take awhile before production starts. There is no reputation to go on here, so we need as many details as possible and a great price (you've more than nailed that). If you could start production sooner, I think that might give people more incentive as well.

Thank you Philip and Stephan. I have considered you comments. I am going in all in. I will place an order for a roll of Apex this week so that production starts sooner.

I didn't think that I am unknown on this forum, but if you say so. Sorry I can't provide a pics of the footbox as for some reoson I still haven't got the omnitape. But its pretty standard. You can take a look at it here.

I personally like a wide quilt so that I don't have to bother with straps in the middle of the night. Straps are restrictive and then you lose the main feature of the quilt ie the freedom. I find that 52" girth wide enough to avoid drafts. I am 5'10 inch and ~60 kgs. But there is scope for customization. You can let me know if you prefer a different method and I will try to accommodate it.

I have got one order (thanks James!). I will post more detailed pics when that's ready. You can look forward to James' review.

I thought listing clo is the standard thing to do. Even BPL quoted only the clo value on their quilts. But 40-45 is right for sevenD inner. May be 35F for sevenDs (VB) but I have not tested it.

Lessgearworks.com
Preview my new website. Any feedback is welcome.

I am thinking of calling the quilt vaprloft. Let me know what you think.

50m Apex roll is on the way!

I am interested in something like this. I will PM you.

You have some grammar issues on your home page.

Does vapor barrier refer to the quilt not breathing? Does 7D breathe? What are the advantages of having a vapor barrier quilt?

Hi Ken, can you please me help me out? What exactly is the issue? Thanks.

The web site is malfunctioning and is a total waste of time.

--B.G.--

Welcome! LESS GEAR WORKS™ designs and builds the Lightest, Engineered backcountry gear on planet from State-of-art materials and techniques that is Simple to use. The gear you will find here pushes the limit of performance to weight ratio, helping you to pack LESS.

Welcome! LESS GEAR WORKS designs and builds the lightest engineered backcountry gear on the planet. Using state of the art materials and techniques that are simple to use. The gear you will find here pushes the limit of performance to weight ratio, helping you to pack LESS.

A little better?

Ken, I think you missed the point on his description. The words he chose to capitalize, spell out the acronym of his company name ("Lightest, Engineered, State-of-the-art, Simple"-->L.E.S.S), so intentionally grammatically incorrect. I agree with your other changes though. Here's my take:

"Welcome! LESS GEAR WORKS™ designs and builds the Lightest Engineered backcountry gear on the planet. By utilizing State-of-art materials and techniques that are user Simple, the gear we've built here pushes the limit of performance to weight ratio, helping you to pack LESS."


On another note--Bob, how is it exactly that you survive everyday social interaction?

Edited by Konrad1013 on 04/08/2012 09:45:54 MDT.

Duh! Thanks Conrad. Didn't see that right away.

Ken, no worries.

Regarding other changes: I agree that "using" is better then "from". But I think "gear" singular therefore I used "is". Correct me if I am wrong.

Huzefa, I didn't realize that "state of the art" meant to modify the words "materials" AND "techniques."

I think the confusion lies in that both Ken and I thought you were saying that the techniques were simple to use, not that the Gear itself was simple to use. If you are referring to the Gear, which you seem to be, then yes, "is" is proper.

I would reword my original post to:

"Welcome! LESS GEAR WORKS™ designs and builds the Lightest Engineered backcountry gear on the planet. By utilizing State-of-art materials and techniques, we've created gear that pushes the limit of performance to weight ratio, while still remaining Simple to use. Our equipment helps you pack LESS."

**Sorry, I edited this last post like a gazillion times. But I promise, it's done, and in its final form :)

Edited by Konrad1013 on 04/08/2012 10:15:28 MDT.

I would limit the page width to perhaps 800pixels, going the full width is too wide for easy visual consumption. Perhaps just the content in the white space can be limited to 800px?

*Edited to prevent any misunderstanding*

Thanks Konrad.
That was actually a bit funny.

I like the final form. The only issue is that it is no longer a one liner. This means I can not put it at the bottom of every page.

Edited by huzefa on 04/09/2012 00:38:55 MDT.

Hi Kaleb,

>Does vapor barrier refer to the quilt not breathing? Yes
>Does 7D breathe? It does. The inner fabric is SevenDs which is silicone impregnated and therefore doesn't breathe.

>What are the advantages of having a vapor barrier quilt?

Good question. Without the VB, the quilt will be good 45f for most people. VB adds 5-10f warmth at no additional weight. Also you donot need a bivy with a VB quilt since shell has a very good DWR and there is no actual transport of sweat taking place from the body to the outside. I make my quilts 54" wide, which is enough to avoid drafts.

If you are interested in learning more about my quilts, contact me at huzefasid@gmail.com.

I tried this, but now I have forgotten to how to align everything to the center. I will look into it tomorrow.

Thanks Konrad. A gold star for you.

Edited by kthompson on 04/08/2012 21:48:43 MDT.

Huzefa, are you going to work on that cuben fiber air pad again? Or is there a reason it didn't come to production. Seemed there was a bunch of interest (me included) when you posted about it.

Side note: "Engineered Backcountry Gear" has a nice ring to it. ;)

"On another note--Bob, how is it exactly that you survive everyday social interaction?"

Konrad, please explain.

When I looked at it, the web site was completely broken. I couldn't imagine why any webmaster would solict comments about it when it was that bad.

--B.G.--

Hi Steve,

The original design used taped baffles which resulted in peel forces on the seems. I also tried sewn seams and many different adhesives but could not seal the sewn holes.

I have a new design where tape is under sheer and should be much stronger and reliable. The only issue is that I can't get a good seal around the valve. I have looked at making a custom valve but I have to buy 10000pcs. Thats why the project is on hold.

>Side note: "Engineered Backcountry Gear" has a nice ring to it. ;)

Yes :)

Bob,

There are 3 sections: "Adventures" is for my future trip reports, "Philosophy" is for my thoughts on gear and techniques, and "Gear" is for webstore. The first 2 are not active currently and the Gear redirects to this thread. This is a preview only.

I will be launching my products and (website) only after extensive testing this June in himalayas. Currently I am accepting preorders (only from BPL members who have directly contacted me) to raise funding for the expedition and kick start my business.

Are you located in the US? Is it necessary to do testing in the Himalayas? Is your gear list working?

I am located in India. My gear list is confidential :)

"On another note--Bob, how is it exactly that you survive everyday social interaction?"

Konrad, I am still waiting to see your explanation of what you meant by this.

--B.G.--

Bob, I was hinting at the fact that you were a little crass , given that it's abundantly clear that Huzefa just started his business and website. In other words, cut the guy some slack. Why offer criticisms that add little value when instead you can help the individual improve? The skeleton of his website is there, and there's enough info to give us an idea of what he hopes to achieve.

These are the little social cues in life that I would expect people to understand.

Other another note...do you not have anything better to do then to feverishly recheck this thread, awaiting my response?

Edited by Konrad1013 on 04/09/2012 15:01:06 MDT.

Konrad, our time was wasted in previewing a web site that really wasn't ready for prime time. At least in this country, we don't put them on the air until they are 99% ready. The web site was not introduced as a skeleton, as you put it.

Konrad, you personally attacked me. That is why I've been watching. I accept your apology.

--B.G.--

I would try highlighting the first letters of the key words in a contrasting font color to make them stand out more, so that the L.E.S.S. is more obvious. I'm impressed someone earlier picked up on that. I don't think I ever would have

Bob,
LOL to everything in your post. I didn't realize that there was a standard operating procedure to website publishing in the U.S. I must have missed that memo. Did you make sure to let all users of tumblr, yahoo, and any other website domain provider in this country know?

Cheers.

Edited by Konrad1013 on 04/09/2012 15:55:58 MDT.

"LOL to everything in your post. I didn't realize that there was a standard operating procedure to website publishing in the U.S. I must have missed that memo."

Konrad, no humor intended. There is no standard operating procedure, but there is a relatively standard process before you go live, and it has virtually nothing to do with the domain providers. I created an entire corporate web site years ago. Only a few trusted reviewers were given the initial address so that it could be live tested.

--B.G.--

>Only a few trusted reviewers were given the initial address so that it could be live tested.

I thought I could trust fellow BPL members. You are making it seem like its a mistake.

Kickstarter (limited time offer)
First 10 customers receive special pricing, get the quilts before anyone else, and plus a 20% discount on the next order. Lot of new gear coming soon!

I have a Montbell Thermawrap that has exoloft insultaion of 50g/sq meter. So at 28 gram/oz, your 4 oz insulation sheet is approximately 112g/sq meter? I'm just trying to get an idea of how warm it'll be.

John

It's 133gsm.

Thanks!. That's great warmth for the weight.

Hello everyone,

If I didn't believe that I could offer better quilts then what is currently available, then I wouldn't be in business.

You can support me by participating in this easy survey with just one question. It can be as quick or as lengthy as you'd like to make it. You have my word that I will personally read every single response.

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Your logo is cluttered and hard to read. The "L" gets lost becasue the bottom part looks like a handle for the grey triangle in the middle and makes it look like a meat clever instead of an "L" and a mountain - which is what I guess the grey triangle is?

Might try different colors or fonts or even a differnt name as a last resort.

+1 to the comments about you being an unknown at this point. I think your market will be South Asia realistically. With the price of shipping between India and North or South Americas added to the price of a quilt, I don't see you getting very many direct mail orders from those locations, unless you find a local distributor.

I think you need to identify your target market, competitors, etc before launching. Seems like there are too many unknowns in your business model and product line at this point to know how you stack up against other competitors that post on BPL.

Edited by veganaloha on 05/06/2012 02:45:55 MDT.

Thanks. Thats a very encouraging post.

I guess being a member of BPL for 4 years with over 1000 posts doesnt count anything.

Shipping for the quilts is only $15 from India to anywhere in the world by EMS. Takes less then a week and is trackable online. This isnt much more then what competitors offer.

The cheapest way to ship a sleeping bag from US to Canada is by USPS, that cost me $35 and took over 3 weeks, there's another $45 for taxes and custom charges upon arrival. My orders from Dealextream.com that some times ship directly from China with free shipping but took months. 10 years ago a pair of heavy ski ship from US to Canada by FedEX only cost me $20, now it would go over $100. Also 10 years ago I shipped 300 gram coffee sample to Japan with 5 day delivery cost $60, I can't imaging how much it would cost today. I don't think $15 shipping within one week from India to north America is realistic.

"I guess being a member of BPL for 4 years with over 1000 posts doesnt count anything."

I'm not sure how that would translate to making higher quality quilts than say Tim Marshall for example.

Maybe you should give some examples of how yours are the best. So far we've seen some pics of unfinished quilts, some estimates on finished weights, and the only review so far is from you - which no doubt has some bias to it.

Edit to point out that nobody has seen a finished quilt - in fact, when asked about a picture of your foot box you sent a link to MLD's website and said it would be like that. Do you own that MLD quilt so that you can offer direct evidence that yours is higher quality? And how so?

Edited by 7sport on 05/06/2012 06:32:10 MDT.

Are you complaining because I am offering a good shipping price? :) I guess its hard to please everyone.

I just rechecked, and the price has indeed increased. To ~$18.

Here is the link to the shipping calculator: http://www.indiapost.gov.in/SP_Int.aspx
Type 750 gram and select USA as destination. Speed Post aka Express Mail international take about 5-8 days.

Here is the link to the OLD prices:
http://www.indiapost.gov.in/SPInternational_Tariff.aspx

Those who have placed an order or asked prices by email - dont worry. Prices remain the same.

Hi Nathan, I suggest you wait and see.

"I guess being a member of BPL for 4 years with over 1000 posts doesnt count anything."

I think it's just that people are skeptical about small businesses early in their life.

People are concerned they'll pay you and not get a good quality product.

I can think of small businesses mentioned on this site that have made good products, but then people started complaining that their orders weren't being delivered as promised.

Something that you have to overcome as a new business.

Hi Jerry, I know. I am not going to give up.

I am just in a bad fix. Instead of ordering few yards of insulation to make more prototypes, I spent a lot of money on ordering a 50m roll. At the time of payment I was told that it will ship by air and will reach me 10 - 15 days. But then they said that PO couldnt ship a package of this size (63X24X24 inches) by Air. So they shipped it by ocean. It been 5 weeks and can take another 2-3 weeks.

This is only my opinion. Which has been wrong plenty. But here goes.

Americans want to support American cottage industries. This will hurt you. Americans have seen so many jobs going oversees. If we can find a quality product made here it will often trump similar products made elsewhere in the same price range. You have to offer what nobody else in the world is.

People here want to say, "Check out this great quilt. Made by this guy in (insert state) right here in the USA." Saying check out this quilt that some guy in India makes will be a hard sell IMO.

Since you majority audience here is from the States, you will need to work out some marketing spin on why we should buy from you instead of ????.

And you will have to do better than those 2 photos on this thread. I am sorry but they don't look like anything special to me. A waterproof inner sounds awfully clammy to me too. How does this actually feel in the field?

Edited by kthompson on 05/06/2012 08:28:21 MDT.

>You have to offer what nobody else in the world is.

I am. If you want to find out more, just send me a email.

"I am. If you want to find out more, just send me a email."

Any particular reason you don't want to share publicly what makes your quilts better than anyone else's? To me this comes off as a bit shady.

I dont want my ideas to leak before I launch my products. I share more details on condition that it is kept confidential.

Scepticism is good, but you must also keep a open mind.

In that case I will take your earlier advice you gave me and wait. Good luck.

Send one to the BPL staff for a review.

Huzefa,

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to insult you or your efforts in any way. My comemnt on shipping was based on my recent personal experience with shipping prices. If you really can ship something like a quilt half way around the world for $18.00 USD, that's really great.

Best of luck.

Susan

I too suspect the shipping price for a quilt internationally is going to be a bit more than $18.

We have shipped 10-15 bivys internationally now, and even though they only weigh ~6oz, they cost $18 to ship across seas. That is in a small flat rate priority box though. If you used First Class (which I choose not to anymore, as it takes up to 4-5 weeks in some cases), the bivys were still costing $13 to ship in a small 6x6x6 box.
For a larger item like a quilt, I would suspect you'll be looking at at least $30.

Good luck with it all though, looks like you have the ambition to be successful, just need to build a reputation to get this off the ground.

Prices for shipping out of the States are actually very expensive compared to other countries, especially with the recent price hikes. I just sent a 400 g (14 oz) package to Huzefa from here in Japan to India, via 1 day express (EMS) and it only cost ¥1,100 (about $13.77 at the exchange rate, but in terms of value within the States, about $9.00)... much cheaper than what you can get in the States. So I think this evaluation of shipping costs through the US lens is distorted. Besides, most people in other countries nearly always pay more for things than in the States, so the "outrageous" prices you are seeing are considered normal elsewhere.

A 750g Air Mail parcel with signature required at the other end from Australia to the US via Australia Post will cost you $36.50 plus $9 security charge (required) so a tot of $45.50 (about $46 USD)
But of course Aussie customers think that US postal charges are high (that is the ones that don't send parcels to the US...)
Franco
http://auspost.com.au/apps/international-parcel.html

It sounds like the price differs between the same two locations depending on which one is the origin. I can't remember what I used to pay to send boxes from China and SE Asia, which I'm sure has changed in the past few years anyway.

I recently sent a sleeping bag from Honolulu to US mainland and it cost me almost $40.00 due to the size of the box. The weight listed on my receipt was over 10 lbs, which was obviusly not the actual weight of the item. The postal clerk pointed out that they bill by the size of the box as well and estimate the max weight it should hold, and that's how the rate is calculated.

Moral: Size matters. Go figure.

Indian post doesn't use dimensional weight, fortunately!

Is the website down currently? I'm not able to view it.

I just checked and its fine. Its need a lot of work, but you can preview it here:
LESSGearWorks.com

Now 4 day worldwide DHL shipping available for only $25 thanks to WorldNet Express.

I am planning to order M50 and SevenDs this weekend. Please let me know if interested so I can confirm June delivery. Orders received later will ship in July/ August.

Huzefa, I think this enterprise of yours is great, and I am excited about seeing reviews of your gear. You've been a contributor to the forums at BPL for quite a while and you have demonstrated that you have interesting and unorthodox ideas and a lot of dedication.

I also have an observation that I hope you won't misinterpret.

Some BPL members (like myself) might be a bit cautious about your products at first due to some uncertainty about your cuben down pad project in 2009. Some might remember that you introduced that project (like your current project) with great fanfare and a lot of colorful salesmanship. But, in that case, you promised a ground-breaking product before you had worked the kinks out in the design, when you had made only one untested prototype. You even "took orders" (although not payment, I think).

Then, in 2009, you disappeared. Nobody knew (until now, since your recent comment to Steve Evans), that your prototype had failed. For a year people who had been promised a pad posted to that forum, saying "where did he go?" and "I hope Huzefa is alright". You could have posted saying "Sorry everyone, it turns out that there is a design problem that I won't be able to fix right away." There may have been other reasons for your hiatus, too. But you never explained anything to them.

I think your current project is cool and promising, and I would consider ordering from you in the future. But I might wait a bit until I see that you are open and forthright with your customers and your promises are not unrealistic.

Edited by ckrusor on 05/10/2012 22:18:34 MDT.

Hi Colin, thanks for your comment.

It's true that I posted just one prototype. But I have made many actually. I have tried many different ways, including tapes, liquid adhesives, sewing and combination of these. I havent posted them here because they werent a success. I spent nearly $1000 on R&D and with repeated failure, I had given up. I never took any payment and all R&D was funded by money I borrowed from my family. Its true that I didn't go back to explain this. I just couldn't face all the people here who had such high hopes at that time. I apologize for that and I hope these people will give me another chance.

I think cuben pad IS possible. I have a new construction idea that takes care of the issues. I just don't have the funds right now to more R&D. Also the new exped UL down mat uses a 20D fabric and you can get lifetime warranty. This makes it even harder for me to compete. May be I will post this in MYOG section, when I finish.

This time it's different. I am here for good but I need your support.

Thanks for your sincere response, Huzefa. Good luck.

If you make quilts out of M50 then you may want to change the name to not include "vapor" as M50 breathes, or is it a combo with a shell that doesn't breathe?

Edited by KalebC on 05/10/2012 23:27:08 MDT.

The shell breaths but not the inner.

90% of the people who have commented on this thread don't know what I am offering because they have not even bothered to send me email asking for more details.

Get use to it. A lot of rejection in business too. If you have received 10% of inquires, I'd say you were doing well. Especially with the slim amount of information on your thread here and your site. Growing pains. Don't get mad. Get some prototypes ready to be sent out and reviewed. Then you can post more information here. You are not giving enough info to whet their appetites.

No 7ds? Too bad, you haven't even started.

Edited by kthompson on 05/11/2012 06:33:40 MDT.

Actually almost everyone who have inquired have not posted here. That is interesting.

SevenD is out of stock, not SevenDS.

The reason why more people haven't inquired is probably due to the fact that there really isn't much to go on at this point. I was interested (and still am) in one of these when I first saw the thread in March, but since then, there really hasn't been much progress. This thread keeps getting bumped to the top, but there's nothing ever new in it.

Coming from someone who also sells things here on BPL, I think this would have been a lot easier if you would have waited until you actually had some quilts made, and had a working website, before posting this thread here. I mean, this thread was started in early March, and we still can't buy them off your website. None of the links on it even work. People get turned off by things like long wait times and websites not working.

Hopefully you don't take any of that the wrong way, just trying to offer some advice. Some organization on your part would go a long way in your success.
Good Luck!

You have an attitude

You're angry that people haven't responded better

I think that turns people off - if they had an issue with one of your products and you got angry about it, well, people are not willing to take a risk

Starting a new business when people have no experience with you is tricky

Maybe it's a cultural thing. I worked with someone from Pakistan and he was a nice guy, very competent, but he too had an attitude that could be misinterpretted.

You have to act gracious and thank people for feedback, even if it's stupid or disrespectful

Hi Jerry and Ken,

You guys are misinterpreting my post. I meant no disrespect or attitude.

And I am not angry because people are not responding. I just thought it was funny that people want to comment on a thread when they are actually not interested in buying. If they were, they would send me a email asking for more details.

As I said, most people who actually inquired have not posted here. This proves my point.

If I need to send you an email to find out basic information about your product, you have failed to communicate.

I, too, was genuinely interested in the beginning of this thread. But, to me, your product sounds more like vaporware with every page.

"You guys are misinterpreting my post. I meant no disrespect or attitude."

I know you don't

I'm talking about how you are interpreted by U.S. people

and this is just my opinion, you have to integrate it with other info you get, especially from people that are willing to pay you

I have no interest in buying from you because that would deprive me the entertainment of making it myself

It seems that there has been a lot of discussion about these quilts. I wanted to let everyone know that I have ordered a quilt from Huzefa, and will be posting a review once I get it in my hands next month. Please note that I have no affiliation with Huzefa and didn’t get any special pricing (other than what was originally posted in the thread), and will give an honest assessment of the quilt, i.e. good, bad or indifferent. Why did I take the leap of faith…well I thought I’d give Huzefa a chance, and was intrigued by the design concepts (including the hood) which seems to be unique. So what this space and I’ll let you know what I think once the quilt lands on my doorstep.

@ Jerry.
A bit of respect goes a long way. Pakistan isn't India.
How would you like folk to judge folk from the USA after a visit to Mexico?

"How would you like folk to judge folk from the USA after a visit to Mexico?"

Pakistan and India have a history of conflict so that isn't totally valid - Muslim, Hindu - ...

If someone judged folk from the USA after a visit to Canada they wouldn't be too far off

Sorry Jerry, you're bang out of order.
You seem to think that because you worked with a Pakastini guy, that fact was relevent to this thread.

I smell something nasty.

"I smell something nasty."

He's my friend. I called him competent and a nice guy.

The only relevence is that it reminded me of Huzefa's comments and people's reaction.

Maybe you could accuse me of being a "know-it-all" but not nasty

I wonder why quite a few long time BPL members from around the world don't post anymore?

James, I look forward to your review. I'm with Jerry that I would make one myself. Though I am always interested in other design approaches.

Cultural differences or no. An owner should not let their emotions show. Take every comment for what it is worth. If i is worth nothing then don't sweat it.

@ Mike. Sorry it has been bad for you here lately. If all the good ones leave?... Am I a good one or not? You decide.

@Huzefa I wish you nothing but the best. I only included my opinion because I had one that I thought might be useful. If I was incorrect I am sorry.

"@Huzefa I wish you nothing but the best. I only included my opinion because I had one that I thought might be useful. If I was incorrect I am sorry."

Yeah - I was just trying to give constructive feedback - I like seeing seeing successful entrepeneurs - I know it can be difficult figuring out different cultures, especially Scottish people : )

I recently posted some pics of my quilt in myog forum. See.

James, Do you have it? What do you think? Pics?

Ken, thanks for your message. In the end I cancelled my order due to a variety of reasons, which I'd prefer not to get into. However, I should say that Huzefa was very pleasant to deal with, and I wish him the best of luck in his new venture.

Actually, it was I who offered the refund. Because we received 5 oz insulation from climashield instead of 4 oz. Anyways, lets not talk about that. James was very patient with the refund and a pleasure to deal with.

If anyone is interested, they can read more about the vaprloft concept here. We currently have lots of apex insulation which we are selling in our Facebook shop with free shipping. Complete MYOG kits are also available at our shop. I would love to start making these again if there enough interest.

Hello Huzefa

So I came across this forum a while back when you first posted it.

Today I just came across it again.
So why did it take so long?

There are so many threads on this site that you just skim over them really quick.
To say I have not replied is because I didn't even know of the growth of this post or even if that you had gone into the "selling" stage. The original post at the top has also been edited since so at the time I first saw it, there seemed to not really be a need to go back to it.
Then it got buried and I only saw it again since someone recently made a post that made me recognize it.

One thread on this site is like a needle in a haystack.
People just don't find the needle.

It is also much more time consuming to look at the name of every user when you are skimming through these posts. Although it is much harder to dismiss your profile picture.

So the very few posts I come across that I may not have read but but do would be from a recognized persons profile picture.

As soon as someone changes there profile picture, their blogs go right back into skimming right over them. For this reason, I have not changed my profile picture since the beginning of my time here. Thet way a lot more people will recognize my horible sence of humor I have in replies and hopefully not take an offence to them.

Maybe you should change your profile picture to a version of your company name like Ben does at goose feet. This will at least get the attention of those who are interested to not overlook your posts. An expination of your product or website would help too insdead of your current one.

So I also may know you personally but there a ton of people on BPL that have posted as much as you on this site. If one of them came up with a concept that I may be interested in, there is a very good chance that I would have no clue who they are.

So this thread is just skimmed over by few, (I missed it).
It is also only one post that came and went a long time ago, so you have to "dig" to find it. You have to get the info out there to sell it.

The lack of response really has nothing to do with you, your gear, or where you are from. Good luck with getting this off the ground. It looks like an easy winner if it's what you're after.

Edited by awsorensen on 09/10/2012 21:49:29 MDT.