Jetboil 0.8 L Ti Pot Weights:

Plastic HX protector cup on bottom 34g
Ti Cup w/o cozy 106g
Cozy 20g
Plastic lid 19 g

TOTAL all above weighed 178g

Edited by jimlarkey on 03/06/2012 06:44:57 MST.

I don't have any scales I'd class as accurate enough. I use them to find relative weights not absolutes. A later poster has offered weights.

According to the State of the Market test of integrated canister stoves by BPL,

the Ti version is 2oz lighter fully packed up, and 1.7oz lighter when stripped. It is also slightly more fuel efficient (gas mileage) and has a slightly faster boil.

For some, the $30 is worth it. If I could drop almost 2oz from my shelter for $30 I would probably do it.

David, you don't need to spend $30 to shed 2 oz. off your shelter. You can do it for free!

Are those titanium? If not, I'm not interested.

Cheque please.

... "Ti version" ... "slightly more fuel efficient (gas mileage) and has a slightly faster boil."

Don't bet on it being significant- I would bet that if you tested a representative sample of a few dozen you would find the difference almost nonexistent. There is probably more unit-to-unit production variation in the stoves and heat exchangers than model-to-model difference in the heat transfer efficiency. (Al conducts better but Ti is thinner...)

"Don't bet on it being significant- I would bet that if you tested a representative sample of a few dozen you would find the difference almost nonexistent. There is probably more unit-to-unit production variation in the stoves and heat exchangers than model-to-model difference in the heat transfer efficiency. (Al conducts better but Ti is thinner...)"

Since I don't have them both to run my tests, I am going by the State of the Market review.

Have you asked Will about his testing methodology or are his results not valid?

I suppose I should have re-read his article before being so bold. Still, it is doubtful that he tested more than a few of each model. It is my understanding that the stove itself is the same, so the pot is the only difference.

Without doing my own tests on a whole stack of pots, I retract my allegation that they are probably equally efficient.

Back to the Fireball Discussion...
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Mention of salt from a Bouillon Cube raising boiling point to dangerously high temperature...
From the Internet- a single 4 gram Bouillon cube contains 743 mg sodium. Presuming the sodium comes from NaCl, the total mass of NaCl would be 1.9 mg because sodium is 40% of the mass of NaCl. Presuming 0.5 liters of water, 1.9 g results in a salt concentration by mass of 0.4%. Also from the Internet, adding 3.3% NaCl to water will raise its boiling point by 0.5C, and this increase is scalable, so 0.4% NaCl should affect the boiling point by less than 0.1C.

I conclude that adding one Bouillon Cube to a small pan of water will not significantly modify the boiling temperature.

James Larkey wrote: > Jetboil 0.8 L Ti Pot Weights:

Plastic HX protector cup on bottom 34g
Ti Cup w/o cozy 106g
Cozy 20g
Plastic lid 19 g

TOTAL all above weighed 178g

the Ti version is 2oz lighter fully packed up, and 1.7oz lighter when stripped. It is also slightly more fuel efficient (gas mileage) and has a slightly faster boil.

The Jetboil Sol Advanced Cooking System, introduced in spring 2011, is the same as their top of the line Sol Ti Premium Cooking System, except it has an Aluminum pot instead of a Titanium pot, and the cozy has a heat indicator strip on it. It uses the same burner as the Sol Ti. Opting for the aluminum pot saves you US$30, and its only 2 ounces heavier.

OK, for the Ti set:

Cooker 101.7g
Pot Support 36.3g
Plastic Stabilizer Tripod 27.5g

Edited by jimlarkey on 03/09/2012 13:05:08 MST.

I know boiling points. All those chemistry and chemical engineering classes and I'm a somewhat serious cook. I agree with Jim W's conclusion.

You wouldn't drink soup salty enough to have a boiling point more than a degree or two higher. A cube of bullion? Not a factor as far as boiling point goes.

If you add a cup of sugar and start making carmel, sure, get to "soft-ball" or "hard-ball" and you can get 30-50F higher. But I don't think any ULers are making candy at 9,000 feet.

The two factors I do see as potentially significant when boiling non-pure water are

1) boil over which wets the pot, wets the flux ring, and transfers heat to the canister. And

2) the ions in something like bullion on something made of dissimilar metals. I haven't looked up the electrochemistry of Ti and Al, but some poorly choosen metal combinations can corrode away in minutes in salty water (nickel and copper, I seem to recall).

I'm packing for a family BP trip now, so I'm not going to do the research myself, but just on the face of it, it seemed odd to me that JB would mix Ti and Al in one pot given that it obviously heat cycles and some people (me, for instance) go sea kayaking and beach camping with our gear and expose it to some salty water. Sticking with one material throughout would havve made for a much more robust design.

"A cube of bullion?"

Bullion is gold. It doesn't corrode much.

Bouillon is the salty soup.

Two different things.

--B.G.--

When you cook a pot with pasta, it can boil over

Why is that? and what would happen if you did this on a canister stove?

"A cube of bullion?"
Bullion is gold. It doesn't corrode much.
Bouillon is the salty soup.
Two different things.

--B.G.--

David Thomas wrote: > I haven't looked up the electrochemistry of Ti and Al, but some poorly choosen metal combinations can corrode away in minutes in salty water (nickel and copper, I seem to recall).

David Thomas wrote: > just on the face of it, it seemed odd to me that JB would mix Ti and Al in one pot given that it obviously heat cycles and some people (me, for instance) go sea kayaking and beach camping with our gear and expose it to some salty water. Sticking with one material throughout would havve made for a much more robust design.