I just saw that the original thread (titled: Orange thingy on JB sol ti) reporting a problem was removed by Ryan Jordan. Curious about the reasoning behind that, and about whether this thread will disappear as well.

-David

HJ: Your daughter is the one on the right? Or left?

I met someone two months ago named Svea and I DIDN'T say, "Like the stove?", assuming she got that a lot. But maybe only from middle-aged backpackers?

One could do a variation of Sarah Palin's kid-naming (Piper, Willow, Cessna, Sockeye, Glacier, Thumper, Salmonberry, etc) with backpacking gear: Svea, Trangia, Scott, Robbins, Kayadyn, Addidas, etc. Then on the first day of kindergarten as the teacher called out, "Thermarest Jones?". . .

I saw a birth announcement locally for "James Tiberius Smith". I sure hope BOTH parents were Trekkies!

OK. Based on the input, questions, comments, etc, I've revised the post. Really revised it. Here's a link if you'd like to have a look: Titanium JetBoil Sol -- Caution -- REVISED.

HJ
Adventures In Stoving

I'll add my 2 cents to this: If I pay $150 for a stove and it cannot resist a little spill of some ramen, I'm sure as hell sending it back.

So now you say it might have an 'occasional' problem. No, I think you should simply say that there have been a couple of cases of 'blank' happening and you are investigating with JetBoil (I really hope you are doing this). Otherwise it sounds like all JetBoil Ti's will exhibit this anomaly occasionally. Which is simply not the case.

It would be simpler to have JetBoil put on the "hangtag" and on the box and in the Manual, the JetBoil is for boiling water.

Do not fill above the fill-line.
Do not use a windscreen.
etc.

with the international "orange circle-diagonal slash" symbol.

Then Sarah Kirkconnell "Trail Cooking" could advertise JetBoil BIG TIME.


More serious, perhaps, I have never got my JetBoil to have a low-heat setting. I turn the flame down low, and in real-world conditions (outdoors), the flame blows out...

So now you say it might have an 'occasional' problem. No, I think you should simply say that there have been a couple of cases of 'blank' happening and you are investigating with JetBoil (I really hope you are doing this). Otherwise it sounds like all JetBoil Ti's will exhibit this anomaly occasionally. Which is simply not the case.

By "occasional" I mean that very few units seem to have been impacted. I do not mean that all units will occasionally have a problem!

> More serious, perhaps, I have never got my JetBoil to have a low-heat setting. I turn the flame down low, and in real-world conditions (outdoors), the flame blows out...

Hopefully some of the controversy surrounding this post has died down a bit.

I did want to address one semi-related topic brought up in the midst of this:

You have ads all over your blog, you're obviously trying to make money.

Did you ever hear back from JetBoil with respect to a potential recall, etc?

I knew that HJ. I'm surprised you were called out on this HJ, as other members keep repeating items they sell for the benefit of some of us and cottage industry owners chip in to keep members updated on specials and shipping updates. Double standard? On other forums, members post links to their blogs and even post musings/quotes from their blogs. For your trying to help, you have been reprimanded as some felt fit on occasion, things happen, so we see you are not perfect. You're an adult, you take your chances.
You should have an addition to your collection tomorrow I believe. :)

Your Stovie buddy in the mountains,
Duane

Damn, I was all set on getting a jetboil ti, and now I don't know what to do. The last thing that I need is for my stove to meltdown....sigh. Has anyone heard any further info on this matter?

well just get the aluminium one for 1oz more and call it a day if you don't trust the ti version. or wait what jetboil has to say about it.

Typically, the problems that I'm aware of (admittedly, I don't know of every case) occurred when the instructions were not heeded. It's worth taking a look at JetBoil's instructions, particularly the orange sheet, in Appendix IV on my blog post. If those instructions feel too confining for what you want to do with the stove, then maybe the aluminum version would be the better choice.

There have been a few, very few, (two) problems reported when just boiling water where the heat exchanger melted.

If you buy the Ti version, use with caution so that you don't damage the unit, but I don't think the JetBoil Sol Ti is dangerous.

HJ
Adventures In Stoving

well just get the aluminium one for 1oz more and call it a day if you don't trust the ti version. or wait what jetboil has to say about it.

if you look closely the weight of the Aluminum version includes the measuring cup while the Ti does not. When you compare apples to apples the difference is only 1 oz. Not worth it in my book.

The other issue I've heard with the Ti version is that the pot will tack-weld itself to the pot support. This was covered on another thread a few months back

if you look closely the weight of the Aluminum version includes the measuring cup while the Ti does not. When you compare apples to apples the difference is only 1 oz. Not worth it in my book.

That's not the only difference. The Ti will be stronger, Alu needs to be a lot thicker to be the same strength and if the weight diffs are small then Alu can't be as strong as Ti. The Alu vs Ti is just the pot? Someone could work out the relative strength. Obviously how important that is, a lot depends on your packing needs.

Also, agree, the Ti vs Alu is poor value looking at MSRP, but many of us here got in % discount sale where the absolute $ diff was smaller and the poor value of Ti eroded to be overall worthwhile when balanced with other issues.

So your point is true when looking at MSRP for anyone looking for new but isn't by itself a reason to sell Ti if you bought it in a sale.

I'm still hoping to see some science around the failures, specifically either some test we can perform as owners to determine if we have faulty individual units, or a product recall, or some other specifics because the number of failures is a very small % and to over-react would be, erm, an over-reaction. I'm keeping mine for now pending some more science because it does what I bought it for, so far....

Its though good to know to sit and watch and the JB doesn't respond well to simmering so its basically a fast water boiler, no more. I'm interested in next-steps, fact-based. From any source. Also reminds me to register my purchase with JB, is there a batch number I can use to help with a possible produce recall? I've got all the original packaging, I keep such stuff for a year+

Nigel, have you weighed yours? I weighed an aluminum Jetboil Sol a bit ago, and I came up with 310g/10.93oz, which is a bit more than I expected based on the advertised weights. I'm wondering what your Ti version weighs.

HJ
Adventures In Stoving

Jim,
My aluminum Sol is:
4.8 oz. for the bare pot.
.6 oz. for the orange lid.
3.4 oz. for the stove burner.
.7 oz. for the cozy with the crappy black strap cut off.
SUB-TOTAL WEIGHT W/OUT FUEL---9.7 oz.

7.0 oz. for a full 3.88 oz. Snowpeak small canister.

GRAND TOTAL W/FUEL---16.7 oz.

M

Edited by bigfoot2 on 03/06/2012 01:34:45 MST.