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Hikin' Jim
(hikin_jim)

Locale: Los Angeles, CA, USA
Re: Why patent? on 03/26/2012 11:23:08 MDT Print View

That's interesting that Fritz is so sanguine about others ripping him off.

I still think that it's sleazy that the Solo Stove guy is using the words "Bush Buddy" on his site in a hidden fashion and that he's including logos from prominent backpacking type websites.

I've seen Fritz's product, and it's a good one. I hope the cheap knock offs don't force him out of business.

HJ
Adventures In Stoving

Hikin' Jim
(hikin_jim)

Locale: Los Angeles, CA, USA
Re: Re: Why patent? on 03/26/2012 11:25:33 MDT Print View

Ha! Interestingly the Solo Stove website is no longer displaying logos from various backpacking sites. Either someone told him to back off or he monitors this forum and figured out what was good for him. Quite likely that he follows this forum since BPL was one of the logos on his site.

HJ
Adventures In Stoving

Dan Yeruski
(zelph) - MLife

Locale: www.bplite.com
Re: Re: Bushbuddy vs solostove on 03/26/2012 11:58:27 MDT Print View

"The Bushbuddy is a great design. Based on my testing, the Bushbuddy works really well and is a marvel of craftsmanship. The Solo? Looks a bit shoddy to me".


Right, how can you tell from the photo...........after all, you thought the White Box Stove was made from a pop can.

Thanks Bob for the nit pick :-)

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Re: Re: Bushbuddy vs solostove on 03/26/2012 13:14:28 MDT Print View

"Thanks Bob for the nit pick"

We do have some knitters here, and I didn't want them to get their panties in a bunch.

--B.G.--

Bailey Gin
(pugslie) - F

Locale: SLO County
Re: Bushbuddy vs solostove on 03/26/2012 13:57:35 MDT Print View

The Bushbuddy has been copied in Europe for over 3 years now...called the Bushcooker. A couple of Youtude videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PcWUeR-Uj0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBWLlgJD2Ec&feature=related

Jacob D
(JacobD) - F

Locale: North Bay
Bushbuddy vs solostove on 03/27/2012 15:01:55 MDT Print View

Solo Stove has an advertisement on Facebook that states: "New Bushbuddy Stove"


... which then links to their site of course. Dirty stuff.

Hikin' Jim
(hikin_jim)

Locale: Los Angeles, CA, USA
Re: Re: Bushbuddy vs solostove on 03/27/2012 16:28:19 MDT Print View

The Bushbuddy has been copied in Europe for over 3 years now...called the Bushcooker.
At least they had the courtesy to call it by a different name.

HJ
Adventures In Stoving

Hikin' Jim
(hikin_jim)

Locale: Los Angeles, CA, USA
Re: Bushbuddy vs solostove on 03/27/2012 16:31:11 MDT Print View

Solo Stove has an advertisement on Facebook that states: "New Bushbuddy Stove"

... which then links to their site of course. Dirty stuff.
Yeah. They're really doing a full court press on marketing their Knock Off and exploiting Fritz's name for the product to do so. Stinks. I hope they fall flat on their a$$.

HJ
Adventures In Stoving

Ted E
(denver_whitest185) - MLife

Locale: CO
advertising on 04/01/2012 08:57:15 MDT Print View

so, it looks like he's been enticing new customers by offering discounts for giving his stoves 5 star reviews on youtube, blogs, amazon.com, etc. he had it featured on trailspace the other day. He also has boy scouts logos on his website now.

whoever this guy is, he's a much better business man than fritz.

Edited by denver_whitest185 on 04/01/2012 08:59:43 MDT.

Jon Fong
(jonfong) - F

Locale: FLAT CAT GEAR
Solo Stove actively seeking positive reviews on 04/02/2012 13:13:37 MDT Print View

On the Solo website, they are offering rebates if you purchase their product (on sale for $59.95) AND write a review on it. $20 for a YouTube review, $45 for a review on your blog/website and buy one, get one free for a purchase /review on Amazon (with a 5 star review). Look like they want to buy some credibility.

Dan Yeruski
(zelph) - MLife

Locale: www.bplite.com
Re: Solo Stove actively seeking positive reviews on 04/02/2012 14:18:17 MDT Print View

Jon, too many are trying to buy credibility. We see it often coming through Jim's site.

Hikin' Jim
(hikin_jim)

Locale: Los Angeles, CA, USA
Re: advertising on 04/02/2012 19:42:49 MDT Print View

whoever this guy is, he's a much better business man than fritz.
If you call sleaze good business, then yes I suppose. Putting unauthorized logos on one's website and attaching such direct compensation for good reviews doesn't sound like "good" business to me.

HJ
Adventures In Stoving

Lawson Kline
(Mountainfitter) - M

Locale: LawsonEquipment.com
Solo Stove on 04/10/2012 22:29:36 MDT Print View

Technically you could buy a stove and write and honestly bad review and they would still have to give it to you. I would print the rebate screen before checking out that way if they deny you a refund you can protest it with your CC company..

Info on their website:

Get one FREE Solo Stove: Purchase a Solo Stove from Amazon.com and Submit a Review on Amazon

Instructions & Details

Click here to visit Amazon.com and purchase a Solo Stove.
After you receive and use your new Solo Stove, click here to go back to Amazon.com and write an honest review.
Contact us at info@solostove.com with your Amazon order number and the name your review was written under.
After we confirm your review, we'll send you one FREE Solo Stove!
Deadline

Free Solo Stove requests must be emailed to info@solostove.com before April 30, 2012.

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Solo Stove on 04/10/2012 23:57:27 MDT Print View

If you buy one, write a review, and then they send you a free one, what are you going to do with two of them?

--B.G.--

Hendrik Morkel
(skullmonkey) - MLife

Locale: Finland
Bad for business on 11/14/2012 03:01:29 MST Print View

The Solo Stove is a Rip-Off Made in China.

The Bushbuddy is Made in Canada by Fritz Handel.

Fritz has an apprentice, Jeff, who manufacturers the BushBuddy in the USA under the Nomadic Stove Company Brand.

Support cottages, and leave negative feedback about the Solo Stove wherever you can. It's a bad rip-off of a high quality, hand made product, and hurts the business of Fritz and Jeff.

Dan Yeruski
(zelph) - MLife

Locale: www.bplite.com
Re: Bushbuddy vs solostove on 11/14/2012 16:53:44 MST Print View

If they are exactly the same then they both have a design flaw.

You have heard mention and may have seen photos of smoke inside the stove while it's burning. Some believe it's wood gas. Kinda looks like fog. It's because there is insufficient air coming in under the fire grate. In one of the photos I show what it looks like looking into a air entry hole at the stove base. The air entering is pulled upward as the hot air rises. A small amount of air enters a thin opening that goes completely around the ash pan and feeds the wood pile from underneath. Keep in mind that the stove is filled with twigs and blocks the majority of air that could possibly enter through the grate. The distance from the grate to the air entry holes at the top inside of the stove is only 2 inches. Now keep in mind that the stove is usually packed with twigs above those holes and so the air entry is blocked to a great degree. Most of the air used in lighting the stove come from above the stove.

One of the photos shows the thin slit for air to enter under the grate.

I played/tested the Bushbuddy alot and know how it works. If the solo is designed just like BB then the flaws are the same.

The BB is a work of art for sure. Welds are outstanding.

It's about the size of a one quart can but only holds 2 inches of fuel if you load it according to it's design. Any higher than that and you block incoming air.

It is my opinion you are better off purchasing a single wall stove such as the "element" that has 4 hinged sides. Or better yet make one. Single wall stoves are just as good as double. My extensive testing has proven it to me.

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