Bushbuddy vs solostove
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Cody Croslow
(Graelb) - F

Locale: Pacific Northwest
Bushbuddy vs solostove on 02/26/2012 21:17:56 MST Print View

Has anyone played with the solo-stove? I've seen a few reviews of the bushbuddy, but none of the solo stove!

Also, for those of you WITH one of these... how well do they do in wet/snow conditions?


We made a makeshift one out of some stuff at a buddy's house, boiled 6 cups of water in a half hour, using dry, chopped wood. Thoughts?!

Hikin' Jim
(hikin_jim) - MLife

Locale: Orange County, CA, USA
Re: Bushbuddy vs solostove on 02/27/2012 10:20:12 MST Print View

Cody,

The Solo stove sure looks like a cheap knock off of the Bushbuddy to me. Maybe I'm wrong, and if I am wrong somebody please speak up.

The Bushbuddy is a great design. Based on my testing, the Bushbuddy works really well and is a marvel of craftsmanship. The Solo? Looks a bit shoddy to me.

The Solo is also roughly double the weight (Bushbuddy Ultra, 5.1oz; Solo 10oz).

HJ
Adventures In Stoving

brent driggers
(cadyak) - MLife

Locale: southwest georgia
woodstoves in wet conditions on 02/27/2012 13:51:26 MST Print View

They are both woodstoves and will require additional work and practice to have a good burn with wet wood. In these conditions, success with wood has more to do with finding the driest wood, having excellent tinder, lighting methods, etc.
I havent tried the solo stove but have owned a Bushbuddy. They are nice. They work just as well as any other decent woodstove with adequate aeration.
If I am hiking in rough conditions that arent improving, I will collect, snap short and stow the driest stuff I see during the entire day of walking. All it takes for a few cups of boiling water is ONE 3-4ft limb.
Happy Hiking

Cody Croslow
(Graelb) - F

Locale: Pacific Northwest
Re: woodstoves in wet conditions on 02/27/2012 15:19:11 MST Print View

We made a prototype one based on a 1Quart paint can, and a pineapple can inside... but it takes a good 10 minutes to boil 2 cups of water! Granted... the fuel is free... but I might be missing something to the technique

brent driggers
(cadyak) - MLife

Locale: southwest georgia
Nice stove on 02/27/2012 17:26:40 MST Print View

Checked out the Solostove. It is a little heavy but is a very nice looking stove. It is made of 304SS which must be much more heavy duty than the the stuff the bushbuddy is made of.
10 minutes is not a terrible time. Every burn is different. Just keep practicing and carry some good tinder that will burn a l-o-ng time. My personal preference is beeswax cotton swabs.

Tony Wong
(Valshar) - MLife

Locale: San Francisco Bay Area
Re: Bushbuddy vs solostove on 02/27/2012 21:26:01 MST Print View

I know that the solostove is a lot cheaper than the Bushbuddy, but it would have been nice if the makers of the solostove did not blattenly rip-off/copy the design of the Bushbuddy.

Sucks that because Fritz, maker of the Bushbuddy, is a cottage manufacture and does not have the money to patent his design that he is open to this sort of theft.

That said, I have a Bushbuddy and love it....no reason that the Solostove should not perform as well, it looks like an exact, heavier copy.

Here is a link to an interview with Fritz that talks about how he developed the Bushbuddy...he is definitely one of the most unique UL cottage manufactures. Fun read if you are into learning about the orgins of the products that you use. Gave me a greater appreciation and enjoyment of owning one.

Interview: Fritz Handel from Bushbuddy by Hendrik Morkel

Edited to insert hyperlink to interview.

-Tony

Edited by Valshar on 02/27/2012 21:29:46 MST.

Ken Thompson
(kthompson) - MLife

Locale: Behind the Redwood Curtain
Re: Bushbuddy vs solostove on 02/27/2012 21:30:40 MST Print View

http://www.solostove.com/


Looks uncomfortably familiar.

Ted E
(Mtn_nut) - MLife

Locale: Morrison, CO
ripoff on 02/27/2012 23:07:22 MST Print View

wow, that is pretty much a blatant rip off of the bushbuddy. they even have a link on the main website comparing the two, and he even says that they are identical in design.

Hikin' Jim
(hikin_jim) - MLife

Locale: Orange County, CA, USA
Re: Re: Bushbuddy vs solostove on 02/27/2012 23:08:47 MST Print View

Looks uncomfortably familiar.
When people do it with money, they call it counterfeiting.

HJ
Adventures In Stoving

peter vacco
(fluff@inreach.com) - M

Locale: no. california
solostove is a crook. crush ALL of them. on 02/28/2012 11:51:28 MST Print View

here's the whois info on the sorry puke that stole fritz's work.
if every time you see the pos solostoves, you step on it, they will go away.
is best if in a store.
is very simple. just do it.
don't apologize.

peter v.
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and, unfortunately, there's nothing for fritz to patent. it is a garlington gasifier concept,w which was given to the world by garlington.

Edited by addiebedford on 05/06/2012 14:15:28 MDT.

Hikin' Jim
(hikin_jim) - MLife

Locale: Orange County, CA, USA
Bushbuddy vs solostove on 02/28/2012 12:24:53 MST Print View

"Crush them"

Tempting, tempting.

I definitely wouldn't buy one just because I'd like to see cottage gear manufacturers succeed in bringing new products to market. If people buy the rip off version, then cottage gear guys will never succeed -- and anyone considering introducing new gear won't. Why go through all the blood, sweat, and tears -- and the financial risk -- of introducing good gear when someone will come along behind and make a cheap rip off copy that sells for half the price and take away your business.

"Crush them"
Well, maybe not literally, but I do have a certain blog. Maybe it's time I put the power of the written word to good use.

HJ
Adventures In Stoving

Lyan Jordan
(redmonk)

Locale: Greater Yellowstone Ecosystem
Bushbuddy vs solostove on 02/28/2012 12:27:29 MST Print View

it is a completely different way to make the same thing.

The craftsmanship oo the seams are part of the bushbuddy's charm.

Jacob D
(JacobD) - F

Locale: North Bay
Bushbuddy vs solostove on 02/28/2012 14:54:08 MST Print View

"The craftsmanship oo the seams are part of the bushbuddy's charm."

+1 to that.

Tyler Jacques
(tjacques) - F
Bushbuddy vs solostove on 03/16/2012 10:19:53 MDT Print View

It happens...

If something works well, especially if it hasn't been patented, there will be similar products created. Look at something like tennis rackets or baseball bats, they are all pretty much the same but are made by lots of different companies.

I may be wrong but couldn't Bushbuddy could still get a patent and shut out Solostove? His best bet if he doesn't have the money to spend is to offer better service than his competitor and his customers will likely stay loyal.

In the end hopefully we will see an improved product / service out of one of these companies.

Bruce Tolley
(btolley) - M

Locale: San Francisco Bay Area
bush buddy vs solo stove on 03/25/2012 16:46:59 MDT Print View

Since the SoloStove is not pretending to be a BushBuddy, it is not an issue of counterfeiting. But it is a case of copying, and if there is intellectual property and or invention(s) in the BB design, the only defense is patent law. There might be aspects of the design that are patentable, even if there is prior art. It does take some research, and some $.

One or more of these features from the original BBL posting on BushBuddy might be patentable.
-Two-part nesting construction provides compact storage.
-Custom sized to integrate with FireLite 1L Titanium Cookware, available Spring 2007.
-Double wall firebox provides clean, efficient burning.
-Updraft chimney design capitalizes on double-wall firebox for preheating intake air, no batteries required!

By marketing on Facebook and directly comparing the SoloStove with the BushBuddy, perhaps this product will expand the market for BushBuddies. :-)

j lan
(justaddfuel) - F

Locale: MN
Re: bush buddy vs solo stove on 03/25/2012 18:59:45 MDT Print View

Mr Jeff Jan is using "bushbuddy" and "bush buddy" as alt tags in his homepage in attempt to steal traffic away from Fritz. He has also used BPL, NWHikers, Hamockforums and Backpacker logos on his homepage to look like endorsement.

Total fraud.

Edited by justaddfuel on 03/25/2012 19:01:00 MDT.

Hikin' Jim
(hikin_jim) - MLife

Locale: Orange County, CA, USA
Re: Re: bush buddy vs solo stove on 03/25/2012 21:19:18 MDT Print View

Yeah, I noticed that too that he's using a BPL logo (among others) to try to add credibility to his site. And he does have "Bushbuddy" and "Bush Buddy" embedded in his site for search engines to find.

Sleazy if you ask me.

HJ
Adventures In Stoving

Dan Yeruski
(zelph) - MLife

Locale: www.bplite.com
knit pickers have at it on 03/25/2012 21:40:01 MDT Print View

Jim, buy one and do a few test burns and report back. It's in your blood. You need another stove.

Gee, did someone notice the Backcountry Boiler was similar in design to the kelly kettle? Both made outside USA

I suspect the Solo stove performs as well as the Bushbuddy. Save money, buy Solo and invest in the USA.

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: knit pickers have at it on 03/25/2012 21:45:55 MDT Print View

"knit pickers have at it"

Dan, I think you meant nit pickers, not knit pickers.

--B.G.--

Chris Rothwell
(heelix) - F

Locale: Midwest
Why patent? on 03/26/2012 07:18:17 MDT Print View

The interview with Fritz was an interesting read. Some back of the napkin calculations show 860 units shipped @ ~$120 is gross ~100k, with 2 hours labor per batch of 24 ~71 hours. Granted he did a good bit of fiddling optimizing the design before going into the large scale manufacturing... but this is reasonable enough for scope. I think he made the right call. I suspect it would have taken too much of his net profit to attempt to patent and enforce it internationally. Good for him, great for the community.

From the interview...

John Hall let his patent protection expire. It turns out you have to keep giving money to the patent office to maintain patent protection. He might have kept up his patent protection, but I think that he generously chose to let the idea go into the public domain. I am pleased to use the Bushbuddy name, John played a big part in my own success and I hope he takes some satisfaction that the Bushbuddy concept lives on.


How easy, or difficult, is it to compete versus the mass market manufacturers, like Trangia, MSR and Primus? Have they maybe already tried to approach you and buy the company/ product/ patents?


Because I am only one worker in a small home business, I do not need to sell a large number of stoves to make a living. Last year was the first year that I sold so many stoves. I think there will always be a niche for the worker at home who can provide unique products that the large manufacturers are not interested in making because they need a very large market. By selling direct, I can make a better wage without making the selling price too high than I could by selling through a retailer. Every extra mouth along the way needs to be fed, so it is more efficient to feed lower on the food chain. The internet has really created a revolution that is only beginning to be felt. Today it is much easier to sell directly to the customer than it used to be, and there is an opportunity for many more people to create a cottage industry. Working at home could become much more common.

I expect that there will be other companies making similar stoves, but that is a good thing, maybe some day I will be able to go camping again.

No companies have approached me about buying my company. I have no patents, so there is really nothing to buy, anyone can just as well just start building similar stoves.