Where do you lie on the political/moral compass?
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Ben 2 World
(ben2world) - MLife

Locale: So Cal
Re: Leftist Rightwinger on 02/10/2012 19:35:04 MST Print View

"Almost got a bulls-eye.....do I win a prize?"

John, you are nothing but a sorry piece of milquetoast -- a fence sitter on both dimensions!















(Just kidding! Good to see a fellow moderate!)

P. Larson
(reacttocontact) - F
Re: Where do you lie on the political/moral compass? on 02/10/2012 20:05:40 MST Print View

So I decided to do it....by clicking Strongly Disagree for every question. This is what they said:

Tree Hugging Liberal Pussy

John Vance
(Servingko) - F

Locale: Intermountain West
Re: Re: Leftist Rightwinger on 02/10/2012 20:14:25 MST Print View

Perhaps that is why I did well in debate-I wasn't emotionally invested in either side. I like to think I am just open minded.;-)

jerry adams
(retiredjerry) - MLife

Locale: Oregon and Washington
Re: "Where do you lie on the political/moral compass?" on 02/10/2012 20:21:58 MST Print View

"So I answered every question with the most offensive answer I could think of, such as I "Strongly Agree" with statements like "Our race has many superior qualities, compared with other races" and the one about disabled people not be allowed to reproduce...

Guess where I ended up?
Upper right, baby, just above George Bush."

If George Bush took the test and answered each question with the most offensive answer he'de end up at lower left

ben wood
(benwood)

Locale: flatlands of MO
Re: Ultalight moral compass on 02/11/2012 00:15:11 MST Print View

"Need another quadrant for don't give a rat's ass."

that thars funny

dan mchale
(wildlife) - MLife

Locale: Cascadia
need rest on 02/11/2012 00:36:37 MST Print View

I started the test Mike but my posting in the Carbon Flame War tonight exhausted me. Maybe tomorrow.

Chris Jones
(NightMarcher) - F
Interesting... on 02/11/2012 01:39:29 MST Print View

Economic Left/Right: -3.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.64

Truth be told, although I fall in the Ghandi camp (according to the test results), my political views are closer to Libertarianism because I really don't trust the govenment to do a very efficient and effective job of spending all of the taxes it collects.

I do believe that government has a moral duty to provide for the health, safety, and welfare (including education) for its citizens. However, I also believe that that government should do so in an efficient, effective, sustainable, and fiscally responsible way.

I don't believe in public bailouts for poorly run companies or companies that take on more risk than they can responsibly handle(you reap what you sow, man). I don't believe in subsidies or special treatment. I don't believe in market intervention. And I don't believe in the use of risk assessment (as opposed to employing precautionary principle) when it comes to protecting the environment. I don't believe in telling other people what to do with their lives (if they're not hurting or inconvencing others, then fine). As for religion, keep it at home, and out of politics. I don't believe any one country should appoint itself to the role of world police. Imperialism died in the 20th Century. Let it be.

My only controversial view is that I believe what a hospital can charge for routine medical procedures should be capped. You should need insurance for things like heart attacks, cancer, etc., but it's ridiculous to use it for routine blood workup, being treated for food poisoning, etc. The solution is to bring medical procedures down to an affordable level, not requiring everyone to purchase expensive health care insurance to pay for ridiculously expensive routine medical procedures.

So, I believe in a goverment that is small and efficient and does a great job of doing the "basic stuff" without going insolvent (which I think is achievable). As for bells and whistles, let companies take care of that.

I don't think Ghandi was this complicated in his views, but I sometimes wonder which on which side of the political spectrum I really do lie. A Liberal Fiscally Responsible (and Accountable) Rational Libertarian?

Edited by NightMarcher on 02/11/2012 03:23:06 MST.

Trevor Wilson
(trevor83) - MLife

Locale: ATL -- Zurich -- SF Bay Area
Re: Interesting... on 02/11/2012 05:16:26 MST Print View

Economic Left/Right: 2.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.79

Marc Eldridge
(meld) - MLife

Locale: The here and now.
Re: Where do you lie on the political/moral compass? on 02/11/2012 10:21:18 MST Print View

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Dave U
(FamilyGuy) - F

Locale: Rockies
Re: Re: Where do you lie on the political/moral compass? on 02/11/2012 13:19:29 MST Print View

Looks like Ghandi and Mandela and I would get along well.

Not surprised given my feelings on religion, economics, and guns.

Luke Schmidt
(Cameron) - MLife

Locale: The WOODS
Whats missing on 02/11/2012 15:15:47 MST Print View

Well that is an interesting idea. Seems more accurate than a simple continium.
What does your opinion on spanky have to do with your politics? Seems like a really fuzzy indicator to me.
No questions on guns?
What about drilling for oil?
Green house gas?

Edit - I just read there analysis of the 2012 election. Um not sure what to make of it. I wonder if they really understand American politics. They look at various things Obamo has done or not done and grade him on the results. The problem is reasults are affected by politics. Now whatever you think of Obamo I just don't think its accurate to basically say "He didn't close gitmo so he's really more to the right than you think." Well maybe it just wasn't possible to close gitmo, institute universal healthcare overnight etc.

Edited by Cameron on 02/11/2012 15:38:15 MST.

Ben 2 World
(ben2world) - MLife

Locale: So Cal
Re: Where do you lie on the political/moral compass? on 02/11/2012 15:35:07 MST Print View

"Looks like Ghandi (sic) and Mandela and I would get along well."


Gandhi: "But all I have is my staff, a very small book, and a change of loin cloth!"

Ure: "You're still going to need a McHale to carry that comfortably... it will be the best US$800 you've ever spent, trust me!!"

Edited by ben2world on 02/11/2012 18:34:08 MST.

Tom Kirchner
(ouzel) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest/Sierra
Re: Re: Where do you lie on the political/moral compass? on 02/11/2012 17:40:44 MST Print View

"it will be the best US$800 you've ever spent!!"


Uh.....make that Rs 36,000. ;0)

Clint Hewitt
(WalkSoftly33) - F

Locale: New England
Re: Re: Re: Where do you lie on the political/moral compass? on 02/11/2012 18:20:39 MST Print View

I just got back from Ron Paul's speech for the caucus up here in Maine.

I was a -7.18 Libertarian/ Authoritarian, I bet if I took it again I would score a -8.00 after listening to him tonight.

It was awesome to hear him in person!

That and they served sandwich's and peanut butter fudge squares, which won me over :)

I could guess with some accuracy Ron Paul would place in the very lower right hand corner hanging out with Nick.

Terry Trimble
(socal-nomad) - F

Locale: North San Diego county
Where do you lie on the political/moral compass? on 02/12/2012 10:18:29 MST Print View

I come out at: Gandhi
Economic Left/Right: -7.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.87

Socialist based on Norway's government and other European countries. Even though they pay 50% tax rate they have free medical,subsidized housing ,food on the table,education, 30 days vacation year mandating by law,living wages,low crime,live pretty stress free lives. Because they all know that they are very important member of society to keep this life style going.

If you think about It Americans pay 30% tax but if you factor in high health care/ insurance, high housing,high food prices/Inflation, education,low wages,high crime,1 to 2 week vacation a year if were lucky,highly stressful lives, Everybody out for themselves if they see people in any kind of trouble we think at least it not me or as they say on Sienfeld "That's a shame" We come out at about 50% plus or more in the end game.

I know this because I have met and also have quite a few friends from Europe and Canada.
Terry

Edited by socal-nomad on 02/12/2012 10:44:15 MST.

eric lansford
(PapaSherpa)

Locale: PNW
Where do you lie...... on 02/12/2012 10:43:18 MST Print View

Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.77

Truth be told, I thought this was a terrible survey. There are many instances where there is no "Agree/Disagree" best/correct answer. For instance, the question revolving around "should schools be allowed to teach or discuss religion in the classroom?" Well, in public schools - "NO" - however, IF my personal faith were to direct me to send my children to a private school with religious affiliations, then the answer is "YES". Sadly, the question skews the surveyor towards "public schools" without directly stating that fact.

I am an Economist and Financial Engineer. Therefore, not surprisingly I am financially very conservative and yet, my score does not indicate such tendencies. (more of a liberal when it come to the enviroment) - but when the question asks something to the effect of, "...are corporations unethically exploting the plant life for genetic research in poor countries..." (or something to that affect) well, is or could genetic research be conducted in poor countries? Sure. Does that make every corporation doing research in that country unethical? NO. However, the question is skewed or directs one to believe that is what is happening. When in all actuality finding an answer is not a simple yes/no.

Money is an interesting subject. Over the past 18 years of focusing my life's work on the topic, simply stated, MONEY makes people do weird things. Next to love, it is probably the highest motivator of all.

This is just a weak survey. I will stop my response now or I may go on and on and on about the inadequacies or lack of thought found in this survey.

Cheers.

Papa Sherpa
(sorry if there are typos)

Edited by PapaSherpa on 02/12/2012 19:13:19 MST.

jerry adams
(retiredjerry) - MLife

Locale: Oregon and Washington
Re: Where do you lie on the political/moral compass? on 02/12/2012 10:48:48 MST Print View

"If you think about It Americans pay 30% tax"

Mitt and Warren pay less than 15% federal tax

You and I probably pay 30%

similarly smaller corporations probably pay 25% but many huge companies that have lots of lobbyists pay 0% (or even slightly negative)

eric lansford
(PapaSherpa)

Locale: PNW
Where do you lie on 02/12/2012 18:36:57 MST Print View

The reason investors (Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, Mitt) pay only an average of 15% income tax is simply that their income is derived from long term capital gains (LTCG). LTCG is taxed at 15%. Us working people, who have ordinary income (ie: conventional jobs) are put into a marginal income tax bracket depending upon our income.

One more topic to ponder - Do corporations really pay income tax? Enductive reasoning states that corporations really do not. Here let me explain: say you make a widget and you sell the widget for $1.00. Now you have costs that you will have to incure to make this product. Raw materials, marketing, employee payroll, distribution, etc. Now, suppose the government decides to increase the tax to you by 10%. So, what just happened to the price of your widget? Yea, it goes up by 10%. That cost is therefore passed along to the consumer. The issue becomes, when does the consumer stop purchasing your widget because it is too expensive? If that threshold is reached, then consumers stop buying, when they stop buying, the company has to lay-off employees... I am sure you see the problem here. Therefore, increasing taxes on corporations (or anyone else) is not always a viable solution and lobbyists have little to do with taxes paid/not paid. The government needs to simply control their spending/budget!

...and by the way, it was still an asenine survey.

I will get off my soap-box now... I hope everyone's day is a good one.

Cheers.

Edited by PapaSherpa on 02/12/2012 18:38:36 MST.

jerry adams
(retiredjerry) - MLife

Locale: Oregon and Washington
Re: Where do you lie on 02/12/2012 18:56:01 MST Print View

To Eric

You've been conned - don't fall for it : )

Why are long term capital gains taxed at only 15%? Plus they're not subject to social security/medicare tax. Plus you can defer them indefinitely.

It's because the wealthy have good lobbyists.

Businesses would be better off with people spending money on things rather than investing in them because they have to pay that back. We should cut taxes on ordinary income and tax capital gains higher.

That's obviously a ridiculous statement - we should tax all income at the same rate - we should spread out the tax burden fairly to everyone.

Did the reduction in capiatal gains stimulate the economy the last 12 years? No, we had the worst recession since the 1930s. Can't blame it all on reduced capital gains tax, but you definitely can't claim the reduced capital gains improves the economy.

Yeah, if you increase the tax $1.00 then they may increase the price $1.00, but similarly if you increased the payroll tax $1.00 they'de have to pay people $1.00 more. No - again a ridiculous argument - taxes should be fairly spread across all corporations and individuals.

And furthermore, some corporations like Exxon have better lobbyists so they pay negative taxes. If you had a corporation you'de probably have to pay 35%.

We should tax all individuals 30% and all corporations 25% (or whatever number you prefer). If we can reduce government spending, then we can reduce taxes, but what we've done during the Bush administration is increase spending and decrease taxes. Obama has been fixing things a little but is mostly contrained by congress that refuses to do almost anything.

And the survey was more entertainment, and also a stimulus for discussion.

And cheers to you also : )

eric lansford
(PapaSherpa)

Locale: PNW
Where do you lie..... on 02/12/2012 20:32:08 MST Print View

AAHHHHHH......(big sigh of relief)

Now I understand the error of my ways. You are right Jerry, I have been conned all these years.

Simpy stated, increasing taxes is not the solution - however, this is probably not the forum for that discussion.

he-he-he

I am glad this is all in good fun and hoping you take my response as such.

Cheers.

Edited by PapaSherpa on 02/12/2012 20:34:49 MST.