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Tipi Walter
(TipiWalter) - F
Gear Test on 02/07/2012 15:29:43 MST Print View

Christine---
I've had my current Arcteryx rain jacket for 26 months of hard use (400 days of backpacking) and it's saved my butt more than once. My previous jacket was a paclite Marmot Minima gtx thingie and there's no comparison. I finally broke down and bought the Arcteryx. It may be beefy and heavy to the BPL crowd as they're into bubble wrap and tyvek shirts, but it goes out with me on every trip and I don't mind the weight.

A good rain jacket is supposed to keep me alive when moving in terrible conditions, i.e. it supplies warmth even to a wet core. The below pic pretty much shows the Arcteryx in conditions it was designed for---

Arcteryx

John Nausieda
(Meander) - MLife

Locale: PNW
Re: Re: Zipper Sliders on 02/07/2012 15:32:13 MST Print View

More sliders. Not White Castle.

http://search.sailrite.com/?freeText=zipper

Edited by Meander on 02/07/2012 15:37:39 MST.

John Nausieda
(Meander) - MLife

Locale: PNW
Re: sliders and inflatable pads on 02/07/2012 15:33:00 MST Print View

A few stainless steel sliders. Would they work?
http://www.prime-industries.biz/servlet/the-302/Zipper-Sliders%3Cbr%3E316-dsh-Grade-Stainless-Steel/Detail

Ben 2 World
(ben2world) - MLife

Locale: So Cal
Re: Gear Breakdown Report on 02/07/2012 15:59:48 MST Print View

Very illuminating -- thanks for the post!

Edited by ben2world on 02/07/2012 16:03:00 MST.

nanook ofthenorth
(nanookofthenorth) - MLife
Gear: What breaks when and why on 02/07/2012 16:01:34 MST Print View

Such a great thread!

John Nausieda
(Meander) - MLife

Locale: PNW
A new style of zipper slider requiring no sewing on 02/07/2012 17:02:19 MST Print View

Flip an ZipThis really does look like a new approach.
http://flipanzip.com/default.aspx
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmdreMvNp1w&feature=player_embedded

Edited by Meander on 02/07/2012 17:12:09 MST.

jerry adams
(retiredjerry) - MLife

Locale: Oregon and Washington
Re: Gear Test on 02/07/2012 17:12:04 MST Print View

I like the wearing shorts in the snow picture : )

German Tourist
(GermanTourist) - F

Locale: in my tent
Gear: What breaks when and why? on 02/16/2012 04:24:17 MST Print View

After the positive response to my original post I have gone through my whole gear list and completed my report now. Here are some observations on the rest of my gear:

Clothes: Here is some good news: Clothes like T-shirts, fleece pullovers, trekking shirts and pants have a surprisingly long life expectancy. No matter whether you buy cheap no name/generic stuff or expensive brands outdoor clothes survive up to a year and more before they start falling apart. It does not pay off to invest a lot of money into brand stuff. Pants have a shorter life expectancy and survive only about 6 - 9 months before the zippers start wearing out or the fabric starts ripping. But if you have chosen a light colored (T-)shirt you will encounter a cosmetic problem first. After a couple of months of wear the shoulder straps of your backpack will start rubbing off onto your shirt discoloring it. No washing machine will be able to remove those discolorings and the shirt will always look dirty. Either chose a dark color or live with the discoloring.

Insulation jacket: I have used a Montbell Thermawrap jacket for 4 years and it still has gotten some life in it. To my big surprise the zipper has not worn out yet and the synthetic insulation is still decent, though degraded by several washes and hundreds of times being compressed into the little storage bag. I will definitely buy it again.

Socks: Socks have a much higher life expectancy than shoes and survive about two or three times as long as shoes. On a thruhike I have to change shoes about every 4 to 6 weeks, whereas socks survive upt to 4 months when using gaiters. Gaiters increase the life expectancy of socks a lot by keeping debris out of your shoes that wears out the socks (and the skin on your feet). My observations are based on wearing Wigwam Cool-lite socks in combination with gaiters. Thinner or non-hiker socks will not last that long.

Gaiters: I have used the same pair of Simblissity LevaGaiters for almost 20,000 km of hiking although I had to repair them several times. After about 6 - 9 months of constant use the lace hook will break. The problem now is to find an appropriate replacement. You will usually some sort of hook in a sewing shop and you can then sew it on with dental floss. I have replaced the hooks on my Simblissity gaiters 4 times before I decided to bury them. After 20,000 km of use the seams had come off and there were too many tears in the fabric. Considering the price and the weight of the gaiters this is a fantastic and very durable piece of equipment.

Pot: My Tatonko 1 l titanium pot is the oldest and longest surviving piece of gear I own. I have used the same pot for all my hiking career cooking in it over a thousand of times. It does not even look very battered now. After a couple of years the rubber insulation of the handles has come off but this is only a major flaw. If the pot handles are sticking out while cooking they will not heat up anyways and therefore you do not really need this insulation. Bottom line: a titanium pot is an investment that will almost last forever.

Spoon: I started out using a plastic spoon out of weight reasons. But Murphy's Law has struck several times and the plastic spoons always broke at the most inconvenient moment. Although this is not a life threatening situation it is a major annoyance. No matter what plastic spoon I bought they all broke sooner or later. I have now changed to a Sea to Summit Titanium spoon and have been happy ever since.

Wallet: My Simblissity UL wallet is my second oldest piece of gear and has accompanied my for over 5 years. I like it so much that I even use it in my non-outdoor life. Only now after 5 years of almost constant use some seams are coming off and the velcro is wearing out. This is a very well thought out and built piece of gear and I cannot recommend highly enough.

Outdoor watch: I have used a Suunto Vector for over 4 years for outdoor use and in normal life. Although the watch itself still worked fine I had to replace it after 4 years because of problems with the battery compartment. The battery is covered with a plastic cover that is held in place by 3 little plastic catches and waterproofed with a plastic O-Ring. After so many years of use the O-ring material deteriorated making it more and more difficult to close the battery cover. And while trying to force down the battery cover the plastic catches will break off eventually. This leads to two problems: The battery compartment cannot be closed properly any more and water can penetrate. Also the battery is not held firmly in place any more. As soon as it loses contact the watch will reset itself... leaving you in the middle of nowhere with no idea of what time it is. Change the O-Ring as soon as it deteriorates and always be very careful when closing and opening the battery cover.

Head lamps: Depending on how long and where I go I use one of my three Petzl headlamps: E-Lite, Tikka and Tikka Plus. Neither one of them has ever failed me. Even when changing the batteries often the plastic battery cover has never broken. I only had to replace a Tikka once after it had gotten very wet. Although it worked again after drying it it seemed to go through batteries much faster than before and I therefore decided to replace it.

Edited by GermanTourist on 02/16/2012 04:31:19 MST.

Kier Selinsky
(Kieran) - F

Locale: Seattle, WA
Re: Gear: What breaks when and why? on 02/16/2012 08:38:39 MST Print View

Excellent info - thanks for the additional insight!

Roger Dodger
(RogerDodger) - F

Locale: Wess Siide
Re: Gear: What breaks when and why? on 02/16/2012 09:46:29 MST Print View

Great gear reviews Christine -Thank you again!

After 3 white breathable shirts getting stained from pack straps, orange Gatorade leak, and other mishaps, I switched to light grey shirts. They hide dust dirt longer, but light colored enough to stay cool and not absorb much sunlight heat.

On cold weather trips, I wear the demoted white shirts as undershirts, and my only black shirt as the exterior top layer, to purposely maximize the sunlight heat absorption.

Erik Basil
(EBasil) - M

Locale: Atzlan
What Gear Breaks, Wears out and When/Why on 02/16/2012 09:54:17 MST Print View

Excellent thread, Christine! I'd love Roger, Ryan and crew to help you lash it into an article without our kibbitzing in it. It could be a report from the field, to enable the brand loyalty without manu's griping. GREAT info in here!

Brett Peugh
(bpeugh) - F

Locale: Midwest
rainwear? on 02/16/2012 11:48:07 MST Print View

Is there rain wear that you never have to worry about wetting out? Durable with maybe a few vents?

Franco Darioli
(Franco) - M

Locale: Melbourne
Gear: What breaks when and why? on 02/16/2012 14:13:14 MST Print View

Thanks Christine, great info !
Franco

Samuel C. Farrington
(scfhome) - M

Locale: Chocorua NH, USA
gear breakage on 02/16/2012 18:03:22 MST Print View

Thank you, Christine, for taking the time to compose your reviews.
Lots of heads ups in there. Very helpful.
Only one niggle: Several Leki poles lost the ability to tighten at the joints, as did some other brands. Kept changing brands until found some that hold up better.

John Nausieda
(Meander) - MLife

Locale: PNW
Re: gear breakage on 02/16/2012 18:19:07 MST Print View

So what poles have you found better ? I'm hard on equipment and am considering poles for the first time ? Thanks, John

Tad Englund
(bestbuilder) - F - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest
Re: Gear: What breaks when and why? on 02/16/2012 18:43:15 MST Print View

Thanks for the info Christine,

I would be interested in seeing you "repair" kit.

Ryan Christman
(radio_guy) - M

Locale: Midwest U.S.
Excellent! on 02/16/2012 19:43:11 MST Print View

Thanks for sharing your gear experiences Christine. This is one of the best threads I have seen that highlights LONG term gear use and expectations.

Mary D
(hikinggranny) - MLife

Locale: Gateway to Columbia River Gorge
Gear: What breaks when and why? on 02/16/2012 20:25:46 MST Print View

Thanks, Christine, for all the helpful comments!

It's fairly easy to translate, for example, 6 months of constant use to 6 years for those who are out for a month a year!

I agree with others that this would make a wonderful article for BPL. BPL editors, please take note!

Dustin Short
(upalachango) - MLife
Re: Gear: What breaks when and why? on 02/16/2012 20:43:56 MST Print View

Mary your calculations work right. They're actually probably conservative since gear has a tendency to "heal" when not used. Mainly fabrics can air out and sort of self clean with time which helps them last longer. Think 6 months of being soggy versus soaking just a few days and drying out. Probably applies most to down, which would explain why some people can get decades/generations of use from a quality bag and GT all but kills it 2.5 years later.

eric chan
(bearbreeder) - F
use on 02/17/2012 00:12:10 MST Print View

a very important point is how much a particular item gets used

the posts of high use in this thread are particularly relevant and quite useful ... at a certain point IMO, if you use items enough, certain items basically become consumables ... it is interesting that the OP isnt too worried about particular brands of clothing, they all wear out with enough use

i have climbing friends who brag about how long their ropes stay in perfect conditions, etc... when i ask them how often they use it, its usually every weekend for 3 months in the summer at most ... i suspect many "reviews" of gear online are like this ...

at a certain point i think gear is just gear as long as it does the job and meets yr spec ... if you use it enough youll replace it eventually ...