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Joseph Bernier
(sigeats) - MLife

Locale: Southern California
Everyone needs their own JMT gear list on 02/02/2012 13:55:56 MST Print View

My 2012 JMT gear list . . . this is pretty much the same gear I carried in 2010 on the JMT. Planning on doing it in 12-14 days during the last two weeks of September. I'd love any advice or feedback. Thanks!

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AumeU1bgt2ljdDNTalBack9tLWFrRnQ4cGMxYzFsS3c

Edited by sigeats on 04/09/2013 17:07:41 MDT.

Jim W.
(jimqpublic) - MLife

Locale: So-Cal
Bare Boxer 101 for JMT? on 02/02/2012 14:13:28 MST Print View

12-14 days total looks like 6-7 from MTR to Whitney Portal. Bare Boxer 101 is less than 1/2 the size I need for that time & distance.

If you have a secret plan, I respect that. If you want all your food in the bear can overnight then it may be impossible (unless you just pack it full of peanut butter!)

Joseph Bernier
(sigeats) - MLife

Locale: Southern California
BB 101 on 02/02/2012 14:55:56 MST Print View

In 2010 I met two friends at Kearsarge Pass . . . and at that point the can was pretty empty, so your right . . . MTR to the Portal is a little to far for the 101, but I can fit about 5 or 6 days of food in the BB 101.

Typical day on the trail for me is an energy bar in the morning, another around 11 with some gatorade, a GU and another gatorade around 2, another bar in the late afternoon, then dinner. I'll mix a few other things in if I get hungry or feel low on energy, but I keep it pretty simple. I always have corn nuts and snickers too.

Two food pics from Red's Meadow and trailer at VVR:

Red's Meadow

VVR - Big Red

Edited by sigeats on 03/20/2012 19:20:04 MDT.

Joseph Bernier
(sigeats) - MLife

Locale: Southern California
BB 101 on 02/02/2012 15:33:10 MST Print View

. . . I like the idea of packing it full of peanut butter . . . or maybe just fill it with corn nuts and snickers.

:)

Edited by sigeats on 02/02/2012 16:48:44 MST.

Jim W.
(jimqpublic) - MLife

Locale: So-Cal
PB Re: BB 101 on 02/02/2012 15:47:49 MST Print View

Since you took the bait... values from the Internet:

Bare Boxer 101: 275 cubic inches =4.506 liters
Peanut Butter specific gravity: 1.25 = 1250 g/l
Mass of Bare Boxer full of peanut butter: 5630 g
Calories/ 100 grams of peanut butter: 588 = 5.88 cal/g

Calories in Bare Boxer full of peanut butter: 33,100

Using 2500 calorie/day ration, that gives 13 days.

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: PB Re: BB 101 on 02/02/2012 15:53:07 MST Print View

"Using 2500 calorie/day ration, that gives 13 days."

Very impressive. However, could you eat only peanut butter for 13 days? I think not.

The very most peanut butter that I can eat is about 20% of my total diet.

--B.G.--

Joseph Bernier
(sigeats) - MLife

Locale: Southern California
BB 101 and PB on 02/02/2012 16:48:08 MST Print View

I could do the entire trail without a resupply!

:)

Hoot Filsinger
(filsinger) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest
Re: BB 101 and PB on 02/02/2012 19:41:57 MST Print View

I think we should start a BPL betting pool on how many days Joseph would last with his peanut butter only trail quest. I bet 3 days maximum and there would be the happiest marmots and pikas in all of the sierras!
:}

William Johnson
(Steamboat_Willie)
Peanut Butter vs. Nutella on 02/02/2012 19:49:53 MST Print View

I knew a guy that lived off of peanut butter for ten or so days. I was not able to be certain he was eating other foods, but he definitely was eating lots of peanut butter.

I could not do it. Why not mix up peanut butter and Nutella? They are similar pastes of comparable nutritional value.

Justin Baker
(justin_baker) - F

Locale: Santa Rosa, CA
Re: Re: BB 101 and PB on 02/02/2012 20:27:34 MST Print View

I think you could lure in marmots with peanut butter and wack em over the head. Survive off marmot stew the whole trip! Now that I think about it, doesn't the john muir trail go through national forests? I wonder what marmots taste like...

Frank Deland
(rambler)

Locale: On the AT in VA
marmots on 02/06/2012 16:45:01 MST Print View

Marmots must be in the Ground Hog family. A recipe for ground hog can be found in the Joy of Cooking.

BTW I found that the thin "Shepherd Hook' tents stakes worked best in the rocky soil areas of the JMT.

Edited by rambler on 02/06/2012 16:46:19 MST.

David Thomas
(DavidinKenai) - MLife

Locale: North Woods. Far North.
There are limits. on 02/07/2012 01:15:04 MST Print View

>"I knew a guy that lived off of peanut butter for ten or so days."

I knew grad students who lived off of peanut butter and Top Ramen for 8 years!

But you're right about the 3 days. I knew two climber types who read labels and concluded the lightest, cheapest calories were in the form of Squeeze Parkay margarine and used that as 2/3 of their intake. They toughed it out for 3 days and then were eyeing even my no-cook items (pumpernickel, triscuits, salami, granola) pretty intently.

Joseph Bernier
(sigeats) - MLife

Locale: Southern California
Everyone needs their own JMT 2012 gear list on 03/20/2012 13:35:52 MDT Print View

Updated my list . . . I think this is pretty much final.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AumeU1bgt2ljdDNTalBack9tLWFrRnQ4cGMxYzFsS3c#gid=0

Joseph Bernier
(sigeats) - MLife

Locale: Southern California
Everyone needs their own JMT 2012 gear list on 03/20/2012 19:17:36 MDT Print View

Added a new column with some stuff i'm on the fence about.

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: There are limits. on 03/20/2012 19:21:17 MDT Print View

"I knew grad students who lived off of peanut butter and Top Ramen for 8 years!"

To many college students, those represent two of the major food groups.

--B.G.--

Joseph Bernier
(sigeats) - MLife

Locale: Southern California
Permit Confirmation! on 04/02/2012 11:20:32 MDT Print View

Just got my email confirmation from Yosemite . . . JMT 2012 begins on September 17th!

Joseph Bernier
(sigeats) - MLife

Locale: Southern California
Updated for 2013 on 04/09/2013 16:51:48 MDT Print View

JMT again this year . . . last 2 weeks of August ending around Labor Day.

Changes from last year include SoloMid instead of tarp, heavier but more comfortable pad, and the Marmot Mica instead of my Houdini and plastic poncho . . . also added the z-packs pants . . . everything else is about the same.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AumeU1bgt2ljdDNTalBack9tLWFrRnQ4cGMxYzFsS3c#gid=0

Edited by sigeats on 04/09/2013 16:53:01 MDT.

Joseph Bernier
(sigeats) - MLife

Locale: Southern California
JMT 2013 Itinerary on 04/09/2013 17:04:01 MDT Print View

and here is the general plan . . . this is about the same as previous years . . . maybe zero day at VVR or MTR, but about 12-13 days hiking . . .

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AumeU1bgt2ljdDZ0WGlfRkZNWnRHN1RVTXpRSlVQdmc#gid=0

Chad B
(CenAZwalker) - F

Locale: Southwest
Curious on 04/11/2013 15:46:41 MDT Print View

I'm curious about what you are carrying in Misc Items, Ziploc 3 (first aid, repair, emergency) at 1.2oz?

Joseph Bernier
(sigeats) - MLife

Locale: Southern California
1.2 oz on 04/11/2013 16:36:36 MDT Print View

Cuben Fiber tape
Leukotape
Whistle
Anti-diarrhea
Motrin
Benadryl
Butterfly srtrips
Crazy glue
Needle, thread, and safety pin
Therm-a-rest repair kit
Platty patch

. . . also have some duct tape on my trekking pole

1.2

1.2.2

Pete Staehling
(staehpj1) - F
Re: Curious on 04/22/2013 12:21:49 MDT Print View

Can you really get by on 16 ounces of food per day? I'd be starved unless you have some very calorie dense per pound food that you carry.

John Vance
(Servingko) - F

Locale: Intermountain West
Food weight on 04/22/2013 12:54:41 MDT Print View

16 oz is what I take and about 2k calories per day. For a 14 day JMT I would be getting hungry about day 7 or 8 and mileage may start to suffer a bit.

I went two weeks on the PCT eating nothing but Kendal Mint cakes, beef jerky, and Hersey Tropical bars due to a mixup with my food box. Not the best diet but I was thirty years younger then and much more resilient.

Apart from the jerky, how many have had the mint cakes or tropical bars? Unfortunately, I actually do know what a marmot tastes like....along with some other easily dispatched game. I would have paid dearly for some seasoning.

Pete Staehling
(staehpj1) - F
Tropical Chocolate on 04/22/2013 17:18:27 MDT Print View

"how many have had the mint cakes or tropical bars?"

That's a blast from the past. I remember tropical chocolate bars, from back in the early 70's maybe?

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Tropical Chocolate on 04/22/2013 17:49:39 MDT Print View

I remember seeing Tropical Chocolate on the store shelves into the 1980's.

I keep looking for a suitable substitute now. There is lots of dark chocolate available, but it all seems to melt on a warm day.

--B.G.--

M G
(drown) - F - MLife

Locale: Shenandoah
Warm enough? on 04/22/2013 20:13:47 MDT Print View

Did a similar itinerary two weeks later in 2009. I would bring a warmer sleeping bag or quilt unless you are a warm sleeper. Whitney summit will be a cold night. I'll be there at the same time as you this year and I'm bring a 20F quilt.will be overkill at lower elev. but not for higher camps.

Pete Staehling
(staehpj1) - F
Warm enough on 04/23/2013 05:19:40 MDT Print View

What kind of actual temperature are you talking about. I find it pretty hard to get a useful impression when people give sleeping bag or quilt temperature ratings rather than actual temperatures.

Bag ratings unless EN ratings, people, and ancillary choices (like shelter and clothing choices) all vary so widely as to mean that one person might be in the same place and time freezing in a 20 F bag at the same time another is comfy in a 45 F bag.

Scott Bentz
(scottbentz) - MLife

Locale: Southern California
Food Weight on 04/23/2013 14:47:35 MDT Print View

With your plan you will be doing about 17-19 miles a day for 12-14 days. I could not get along with 16 oz. of food unless it was really, really, really, calorie dense (like the canister full of peanut butter). We did the JMT in 14 days with one layover at Vermillion. We carried 24 oz. a day for about 3,000 calories. We were still at a deficit but I wouldn't want to have less.

Where I especially needed nutrition was in-between meals. We called it the drip method. We had to have little bags of goodies like Peanut M&M's, nuts, bars with lots of nuts, Perpeteum and then the Pringles and Cheeze-It's, etc. If I did not pay attention to my in-between meals I would have a tendency to bonk (apologies to my Australian friends) and then have to catch up.

Joseph Bernier
(sigeats) - MLife

Locale: Southern California
16 oz on 04/23/2013 15:28:35 MDT Print View

Yeah, about a pound a day, maybe a bit more, maybe a bit less. Only place it gets tricky is MTR to Whitney. The first half of the trail you can buy a cheeseburger every other day (Yosemite, Tuolumne Meadows, Reds Meadow, VVR, MTR), so between each of these all you need to do is carry a day and a half of food. I posted pictures and a list of what I eat earlier in the thread.

The summerlite is actually warmer than the bag I used the last two times . . . a highlite, and that was middle of september. I use a bivy so that adds some warmth, and if it's cold I wear some of my clothing . . . I've always been comfortable.

Edited by sigeats on 04/23/2013 15:33:31 MDT.

Joseph Bernier
(sigeats) - MLife

Locale: Southern California
Everyone needs their own JMT 2013 gear list on 06/11/2013 20:40:41 MDT Print View

Called Yosemite today and lucked out with a JMT South permit staring on 8/18.

Also have my list down to 7 lbs:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AumeU1bgt2ljdDNTalBack9tLWFrRnQ4cGMxYzFsS3c#gid=0

excited!

B Robertson
(bubbarobertson) - F

Locale: Central Valley
water on 06/17/2013 21:48:50 MDT Print View

How do you not dehydrate with carrying no water?

Joseph Bernier
(sigeats) - MLife

Locale: Southern California
Water on 06/18/2013 12:28:18 MDT Print View

Water is all over the place on the JMT. When I'm thirsty I just stop and have a drink. A few places it's dry for a few miles, so I carry a liter or two then . . . but usually don't carry any.

Frank T
(random_walk) - F
... on 06/19/2013 11:36:23 MDT Print View

nm

Edited by random_walk on 08/12/2013 12:13:28 MDT.

Frank T
(random_walk) - F
... on 06/19/2013 12:07:42 MDT Print View

nm

Edited by random_walk on 08/12/2013 12:14:06 MDT.

Josh Brock
(needsAbath)

Locale: Outside
Re: Everyone needs their own JMT 2013 gear list on 06/20/2013 12:41:04 MDT Print View

"Also have my list down to 7 lbs:"

First off nice list and weight... But I think you might be off a little on your Zip lock bag weights. and you might want to rethink you food. Your menu is great for a short trip like 5 days but if your hiking the whole jmt on that food I would surprised if you had enough fuel to finish.

You would be taking in a fraction of what your expending(this is not an opinion this is a fact). and you can only do that so long before you literally starve to death.

Joseph Bernier
(sigeats) - MLife

Locale: Southern California
Everyone needs their own JMT 2013 gear list on 06/21/2013 09:42:20 MDT Print View

Good call on the ziploc weight . . . I've fixed it. I'm constantly changing/adjusting stuff . . . it's half the fun!

Food. Like I said, sometimes I carry more, sometimes less. Before MTR I eat all kinds of stuff (see cheeseburger post). All that really matters is after the ranch. I'm pretty much on a bar and bean burrito diet at this point. An average day would look like this:

5 AM - Bumble Bar - Lushus Lemon (I Love these!) 190 calories
7 AM - Go Raw Bar - 240 calories
9 AM - Honey Stinger Waffle - 160 Calories
11 AM - Corn Nuts - 220 Calories
1 PM - Lunch Break when it's crazy hot. Packit Gourmet Trailside Bean Burrito and Justins Choc/Hazelnut - 270 and 180 Calories
3 PM - Bumble Bar - 190 Calories
5 PM - Go Raw Bar - 240 calories
7 PM - Snickers - 250
(also some gatorade here and there throughout the day)

. . . something like this for the 4 or 5 days after MTR. It's about 2000-2500 calories a day and the weight of the above is about a pound. I basically cram my bear can full of corn nuts, snickers, bars, bean burrito mix, tortillas cut into little triangles, justins, snickers . . . somedays I might eat a bit more if I need the energy, some days a bit less. And this is only for the last 4 or 5 days. Worked great on my last couple JMT hikes.

Edited by sigeats on 08/06/2013 13:52:48 MDT.

Josh Brock
(needsAbath)

Locale: Outside
oops on 06/25/2013 09:57:28 MDT Print View

I for some reason was thinking PCT(dont know why). JMT is more understandable. Sorry

Eileen Duncan
(eileensd) - MLife

Locale: The Sierra or the SF Bay Area
Me thinks no cheeseburgers at MTR... on 07/22/2013 19:30:04 MDT Print View

Last I checked (a couple weeks ago), you have to spend the night if you want to eat there... or maybe you're sending one in your resupply? Yum.

Greg Mihalik
(greg23) - M

Locale: Colorado
Re: Me thinks no cheeseburgers at MTR... on 07/22/2013 19:45:32 MDT Print View

"The first half of the trail you can buy a cheeseburger every other day (Yosemite, Tuolumne Meadows, Reds Meadow, VVR, MTR)"

Well, $140 for a cheeseburger at MTR might sound pretty good to some folks, but it's a little high for me.



On a serious note... Pretty darn impressive. It sounds like you have it dialed. Nice job!




@ Frank T: Start another thread instead of "hijacking" this one. You'll get comments there. ;-)

Just cut and paste, then edit your post here to a "nm" - "never mind". (I would have PM'd, but you are not set up yet.)

Edited by greg23 on 07/22/2013 19:53:31 MDT.

Joseph Bernier
(sigeats) - MLife

Locale: Southern California
Everyone needs their own JMT 2012 gear list on 08/06/2013 13:50:14 MDT Print View

ok . . . ok . . . yes, no cheeseburger at MTR unless you spend the $140 for a tent.

In 2010 when I passed through, I spent the $140. The soak in the private hot spring, dinner, breakfast and sack lunch was worth every penny.

My plan this year is to pick-up my bucket, and if there is vacancy I'll decide if I want to stay or not . . . trying to avoid a schedule on the trip, so no reservations.

And all things considered a JMT hike is a pretty cheap vacation, so spending a little cash along the way is ok with me.

I'll be in Yosemite in 10 days!!!!