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Addie Bedford
(addiebedford) - MLife

Locale: Montana
Prospects for 2012: New and Noteworthy Gear on 01/17/2012 15:02:04 MST Print View

Companion forum thread to:

Prospects for 2012: New and Noteworthy Gear

Ken Thompson
(kthompson) - MLife
Re: Prospects for 2012: New and Noteworthy Gear on 01/17/2012 15:50:52 MST Print View

Stagnation first. Now new and noteworthy. Ryan, you are toying with us.

keep it up.

Edited by kthompson on 01/17/2012 15:53:41 MST.

Dave U
(FamilyGuy) - F

Locale: Rockies
Re: Re: Prospects for 2012: New and Noteworthy Gear on 01/17/2012 15:54:36 MST Print View

Breathable Cuben. Sounds ridiculous.

Travis Leanna
(T.L.) - MLife

Locale: Wisconsin
Re: Re: Prospects for 2012: New and Noteworthy Gear on 01/17/2012 17:37:59 MST Print View

I like the output of material. I did think the juxtaposition of this and the stagnation article was odd, but I enjoyed reading Ryan's thoughts on the new gear.

Luke Schmidt
(Cameron) - MLife

Locale: The WOODS
Nice Overview on 01/17/2012 19:12:00 MST Print View

Nice overview Ryan.

I like the thoughts on gear. Seems that in the past BPL would basically just publish the gear and its advertized stats without a lot of commentary. Thats really not much to go on. I like that Ryan pointed out some things like
a. That 950 fill power goosedown may not be all that practical in the real world.
b. The move toward more durablity in SUL packs
c. Pointing out the Big Star may not be as good as its smaller counsins under snow

I like the realism of it. Defintely some cool stuff to get excited about but also some common sense.

No really new comcepts here but I think water resistant down and WP/B cuban are things to watch.

Edited by Cameron on 01/17/2012 19:16:15 MST.

Samuel C. Farrington
(scfhome) - M

Locale: Chocorua NH, USA
Prospects for 2012: New and Noteworthy Gear on 01/17/2012 20:33:39 MST Print View

Great article. Thank you.

Brett Peugh
(bpeugh) - F - M

Locale: Midwest
cuben dome tent on 01/18/2012 08:53:36 MST Print View

I really like the idea of a dome tent out of cuben. It would be great if it had a mesh inner. Probabaly still be too small for me though but it is nice to dream.

Kyle Meyer
(kylemeyer) - M

Locale: Portland, OR
Prospects for 2012: New and Noteworthy Gear on 01/18/2012 10:20:21 MST Print View

It'd be great to see an article devoted to various fill powers and the effects of humidity on it.

Perhaps single baffle chambers of equivalent weights of down could be taken into a bathroom with the shower on and test the lclo. Somewhat compressed down can retain most of it's initial insulation value—has it been tested to see if down in a humid environment doesn't?

Hamish McHamish
(El_Canyon) - M

Locale: USA
_ on 01/18/2012 10:44:19 MST Print View

Great writeup that offers juicy "insider" info to those of us not so closely connected to the industry, plus insightful personal knowledge (i.e. I didn't know about the unique 900 fill power down problem). Thanks!

Ceph Lotus
(Cephalotus) - MLife

Locale: California
Zpacks Dome Tent on 01/18/2012 10:50:08 MST Print View

I'm looking forward to the Zpacks dome tent.

Ryan Jordan
(ryan) - BPL Staff - MLife

Locale: Greater Yellowstone
my *hopeful* list on 01/18/2012 11:51:08 MST Print View

Of everything presented above, I'm most "hopeful" for the prospect of that nanomolecular coating on down fibers actually working. Chemists seem savvy, but I can't wrap my head around the possibility that this may actually work. Like was said above, "it's fun to dream".

Still missing is an ultralight winter tent that can deal with heavy mountain blizzards and blizzard living/cooking. Ah well, maybe next year. Seems like the sweet spot for this one is still hovering around 5 lbs (Nallo GT) for 2 people and 4 lbs for one (Soula). As the market continues to mature, my fondness for what Hilleberg did many years ago grows.

Huzefa Siamwala
(huzefa)
Re: my *hopeful* list on 01/18/2012 12:27:10 MST Print View

Ryan, have you considered Warmlite 2C? It weighs 2.59 lb.

Franco Darioli
(Franco) - M

Locale: Melbourne
Prospects for 2012: New and Noteworthy Gear on 01/18/2012 13:46:03 MST Print View

And where exactly are you going to cook inside the Warmlite ?

Damien Tougas
(dtougas) - BPL Staff - F

Locale: Gaspé Peninsula
Re: Re: my *hopeful* list on 01/18/2012 13:52:11 MST Print View

I like having a floorless vestibule for cooking and gear storage. The Nallo has the edge over the Warmlite in this regard.

Stephan Doyle
(StephanCal)
Re: Prospects for 2012: New and Noteworthy Gear on 01/18/2012 15:10:02 MST Print View

The Zpacks tent is intriguing! Joe has a real penchant for affordable cuban shelters, and has an eye for design.

HMG's Traverse is MASSIVE, but their upcharge for cuben is the highest I've seen. Yes, they're known for overengineering their designs, so I have no doubt it'll be all-season worthy, but the $650 pricetag is hard to swallow on this one.

I'm looking forward to Ben Smith (Goosefeet) expanding his product range - he's known for quality, attention to detail, and affordability with the highest quality materials.

Luke Schmidt
(Cameron) - MLife

Locale: The WOODS
Bivy Sacks on 01/18/2012 21:06:12 MST Print View

Well I never heard of active sleepers destrying a bivy sack! Guess you can always learn something new. My 6.5 oz Equinox bivy is still going strong. To be fair I think its made of a bit heavier nylon. Or maybe I don't trash around as much.

Michael Cheifetz
(mike_hefetz) - MLife

Locale: Israel
OMG - down...(and why attack on Nunatak) on 01/19/2012 03:59:51 MST Print View

Interesting writeup Ryan (indeed somewhat of juxtaposition with the stagnation manifest)..

RE the down - you ruined my day...:) Im looking at new sleeping bags now but waiting for the new and improved wonder material in late 2012 will kill me...have you seen this in real life or is it in the lab still


also re fill power - there seems to be some sect targeting Nunatak's 950FP and general reputation - while Katabatic and Zpacks and goosefeet and PHD use 900+ FP and everyone adores them....
RE Tom's website text (875+ yada yada) its just outdated and knowing the little that i know about him he never bothered to change it.
(Disclaimer - I own some of Tom's stuff but am in no way affiliated)


***Not to be to blunt - but if you guys REALLY think that high FP is NOT the optimal fill why dont I see BPL notables pushing back to 750FP (or at least a more elaborate test and not just the somewhat anecdotal evidence that was presented in one of the threads)
I have seen high FP being pushed by ALL OF US for a few good years and everyone was happy - if you are claiming that there is an optimum that shouldnt be crossed then lets find it!!

Edited by mike_hefetz on 01/19/2012 04:12:22 MST.

Diplomatic Mike
(MikefaeDundee)

Locale: Under a bush in Scotland
"Prospects for 2012: New and Noteworthy Gear" on 01/19/2012 04:22:11 MST Print View

"And where exactly are you going to cook inside the Warmlite ?"

On the groundsheet. Obviously when i last did this, i died. ;)

The lack of porch is starting to annoy me with my 2R. It may go on the 'Gear Swap' after my Cuben Trailstar arrives.

Re Down. Probably all down above 750(EU) has been processed to gain the extra fill power. As long as you realise your 850 down will likely be 750 down after a few weeks, it isn't a problem. You could just buy 750 down, but that will end up lower too. If you are buying the highest fill power, then in theory you should at least be getting the highest quality.

I'm pretty sure i read of a European manufacturer experimenting with water-resistant down, but i can't remember the details.

Michael Cheifetz
(mike_hefetz) - MLife

Locale: Israel
Berghaus on 01/19/2012 07:59:58 MST Print View

http://uncooped.com/chris-weiss/posts/1506-water-resistant-down-could-be-a-miracle


MC

Michael Cheifetz
(mike_hefetz) - MLife

Locale: Israel
and what about Aerogel on 01/19/2012 08:07:38 MST Print View

while we are at it - has anyone put their hands on the zeroloft aerogel products from champion or shiver shield or what not?