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Addie Bedford
(addiebedford) - MLife

Locale: Montana
Nemo Obi Elite 1P Tent Review on 01/17/2012 14:44:43 MST Print View

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Nemo Obi Elite 1P Tent Review

eric chan
(bearbreeder) - F
nice on 01/17/2012 15:08:41 MST Print View

gear from "mainstream" manufacturers seems to be getting lighter and better every day ...

Edited by bearbreeder on 01/17/2012 15:09:15 MST.

Franco Darioli
(Franco) - M

Locale: @Tarptent
Nemo Obi Elite 1P Tent Review on 01/17/2012 15:49:02 MST Print View

The Scarp vestibules are 6.25 sq ft each (12.5 tot)

Dave -
(FamilyGuy) - F

Locale: Up there
Re: Nemo Obi Elite 1P Tent Review on 01/17/2012 15:57:53 MST Print View

No improvements? It's perfect?

Let me help you. Very little shoulder season snow load capability, potential for condensation being an issue at the foot and head end with the shorter fly and taller bathtub floor, and price for a solo.

I like me some Notch.

Franco Darioli
(Franco) - M

Locale: @Tarptent
Nemo Obi Elite 1P Tent Review on 01/17/2012 16:37:36 MST Print View

That "Recommendation for improvement" should be clarified.
That is because it can mean :
NO , it is perfect as it is
NO, I can't think of anything right now
NO, not without adding weight /bulk/extra cost ....

BTW, if it were perfect than Nemo would be crazy to change it but by doing so they would be stagnating...

Ken T.
(kthompson) - MLife

Locale: All up in there
Re: Re: Nemo Obi Elite 1P Tent Review on 01/17/2012 17:03:59 MST Print View

Head explodes...

Dan Durston
(dandydan) - F

Double Wall or Hybrid? on 01/17/2012 17:04:23 MST Print View

I'm not so sure I'd slot this one into the double wall category. It looks more like a hybrid double/single wall tent to me with the huge cutout creating a large single wall section at the head end:

Head of Obi Elite

I'm not sure how this plays out the field, but if condensation forms inside the tent here, it's sure going to feel like a single wall tent.

Nice review. Lots of details and it's good to have the video.

I'm quite happy with my HMG Echo I. It sets up with hiking poles, but it's double wall, the inner doesn't have to be set up first so it's protected in the rain, the door way isn't vulnerable to rain falling in and the whole thing is modular, so you can go as light as a 7oz tarp if the conditions allow. Main downside is headroom isn't too generous if you're using the inner....which matters very little to me compared to keeping the rain and condensation off.

Echo I a

Echo 1 b

Edited by dandydan on 01/17/2012 17:16:32 MST.

Ryan Jordan
(ryan) - BPL Staff - MLife

Locale: Greater Yellowstone
Recommendation for Improvement on the Nemo Obi Elite 1P on 01/17/2012 17:05:12 MST Print View

OK, I'll bite.

How about dealing with the kyphosis on these tent designs? Is it me or do others find them ... aesthetically challenged? Not to mention the broadside sail it pitches into the wind.

I'm not sure what sort of benefit this type of tent has over, say, a double-walled tarp tent.

Franco Darioli
(Franco) - M

Locale: @Tarptent
Nemo Obi Elite 1P Tent Review on 01/17/2012 18:43:55 MST Print View

I agree with Ryan.
The BA an the Nemo have a very similar pole structure and their own poles, the Echo and the Notch do not , not that I would compare these last two for weather protection either.

Stuart .
(lotuseater) - F

Locale: Mountains
BPL hiring giants? on 01/17/2012 19:07:29 MST Print View

How else did you manage the overhead shot of the tent? Really enjoyed the different perspectives (pun intended) of this review. That being said, I'll stick with my BA Copper Spur UL1 in fair conditions. Is there a reason why the older BA Seedhouse SL1 was used as a comparison rather than both of BA's current UL models?

Sam Farrington
(scfhome) - M

Locale: Chocorua NH, USA
Improvement on 01/17/2012 20:22:59 MST Print View

Had to go to a medical dictionary on that 'kyphosis.'
Functional is not always beautiful. 'Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.'
What works superbly is beautiful in my book.

There are some flaws with this tent, and one is space. Was about to buy one, and save myself another winter hammering away at MYOG in the basement, when visited International Mountain Equipment near home and saw the 2-person version in person.
Very cramped, compared to, say, a Rainbow.

Two reasons for this:
1. They want to satisfy the demand for a self-supporting tent, so have to add the poles for that, and have to reduce size to make up for the added pole weight.
2. To stay in business, they want a product that will hold up to customer abuse, so have to add weight with heavier materials, and further reduce the tent size for that reason as well.

Another possible flaw is the lack of tautness, revealed in the video. Ya' gotta have taut.

Long ago decided that a self-supporting tent could not possibly rival others in weight unless carbon poles were used.

Now if we only had a highly vapor permeable fabric (like eVent or propore) that was light weight, durable and didn't sag ... The tent made of that could have all the kyphosis it wanted to have. Unfortunately, most of the WPB's require the pressure of humidity to work, and so won't work for a tent, as The North Face and others have unhappily found out.

My suggestion is to use what we have for now. For example, Epic Malibu or the material BD replaced it with, but design so the inside water drains out to the ground, not onto the tent floor. Or, use a very low denier DWR polyester inner and cuben outer. Either one, with carbon poles, could produce a markedly larger tent of the same weight. Not complaining, just dreaming.

Adam Klagsbrun
(klags) - MLife

Locale: Northeast US
guy-out points? on 01/17/2012 22:03:49 MST Print View

So it seems that the snowsag is a problem, and the tent looks to be a bit less than taught without the snow. where are the guy out points on the fly at the base in the center where the fly sags in? a simply guy line would make it tight and much more snow resistant...

Philip Werner
(earlylite) - F - MLife

Locale: New England
The UL Option on 01/18/2012 10:29:38 MST Print View

There is an additional UL option for pitching the NEMO Obi 1P which Will didn't mention, but is significant in that it's popping up a lot more in mainstream double-walled tent offerings.

It's possible to pitch the Obi 1 without the inner mesh tent and just the fly and a groundcloth kit that has jakes feet. There a picture of this on the Nemo Equipment site for this product, and I've also seen it offered with the MSR Carbon Reflex 1. Not sure the weight savings, but it's got to be decent.

Why do I care? I think it's great that the rest of the industry is catching up and more people will be educated about lightweight options. Bigger companies are capitalized to educate consumers and by doing so, they will increase the number of consumers accessible to cottage manufacturers who don't have the same marketing clout.

Personally, I think it's wonderful that BPL has the guts to review all this non-cottage gear. The industry is changing and hopefully BPL's editorial coverage will as well.

Dan Durston
(dandydan) - F

Fly + Footprint on 01/18/2012 11:59:06 MST Print View

Will mentioned that in the article:

"The tent has a fly-only pitching option, but you need to purchase the optional footprint to go that route."

Edited by dandydan on 01/18/2012 12:00:05 MST.

Dave -
(FamilyGuy) - F

Locale: Up there
Re: Fly + Footprint on 01/18/2012 12:01:59 MST Print View

Also - that ability has been available on tents for well over 10 years.

Kyle Meyer
(kylemeyer) - M

Locale: Portland, OR
Nemo Obi Elite 1P Tent Review on 01/18/2012 14:09:22 MST Print View

Is it just me or does everyone else also not care about reviews like this? This is an expensive, heavy, one person tent. Lighter, cheaper, two person tents exist like the Notch that actually improve your enjoyment of the wilderness and advance the state of the art in shelter systems.

Tents like these are a waste of BPL's attention and resources.

Aaron Croft
(aaronufl) - M

Locale: Oregon
Why? on 01/18/2012 17:37:53 MST Print View

Why is everyone lining up to bash this review? Just because it isn't made by a cottage company out of cuben fiber? It is a nice, widely available, durable, lightweight, free-standing, (mostly) double wall tent. If anything, people should be happy that larger manufacturers are making lighter weight tents.

And quite honestly, I don't see how snow loading is relevant to this 3 season tent. If you're going out into those kind of conditions, you should probably have something more substantial anyways.

Kyle Meyer
(kylemeyer) - M

Locale: Portland, OR
Re: Why? on 01/19/2012 10:19:18 MST Print View

Why is everyone lining up to bash this review? Just because it isn't made by a cottage company out of cuben fiber?

In a nutshell—yes. This is a standard mass market tent using lightweight materials. It doesn't pitch very taut, it's not very aerodynamic, it's not very light, and it can't take a snow load. Why is this being reviewed and, worse even, recommended? I don't look to BPL for reviews on gear I can buy from REI and I bet most here don't either. We pay for the scientific research on down jackets, on alternative rainwear, on interesting new takes on shelter systems. Everyone knows how a poled double-wall tent performs. The only interesting aspect of this review is about the materials and that was a tiny facet of the review.

This is a predictable, staid review about a predictable, boring product. I guess I'd just like to see more focus by the editors on the things that make BPL awesome and unique.

eric chan
(bearbreeder) - F
Re: Why? on 01/19/2012 10:38:01 MST Print View

because mainstream gear is evil for bpl ;)

Franco Darioli
(Franco) - M

Locale: @Tarptent
Nemo Obi Elite 1P Tent Review on 01/19/2012 14:53:52 MST Print View

Not everyone is bashing but there is a bit of cabin fever about.
It's summer, hot and sunny here (not so much today) so I will dissent from the more popular view.
Apart from the fact that I like tent design so I read most if not all the tent reviews I come across, post a nice tent picture and you have my attention.
Those location shots are just lovely, so Will had my attention.
Now a sub 1 kg self supporting double wall (or partial double wall if you prefer) tent is definitely LW in my book.
I don't necessarily have to like it but it is a worthy product to be reviewed here.
Well done Will, once again.