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Benjamin Ludwig
(Ender) - F

Locale: Mid-West
Big Agnes Fly Creek3 on 01/16/2012 17:28:22 MST Print View

I am in the market for one of these tents, so if you have one F/S send me a PM. I just have a few questions about it.. or tents in general I guess.

So you have your TENT, RAIN FLY, and your FOOT PRINT. I know what each one is, but I dont understand why you would need a TENT and a FOOT PRINT.. which makes me think that maybe I dont know what a foot print is for.

If a TENT has a floor bottom, why do I need a foot print underneath it? Found a FlyCreek for sale on EBay but it didnt have a footprint. Big Deal?

Thanks
Ender

Jennifer McFarlane
(JennyMcFarlane) - MLife

Locale: Southern California
FC3 on 01/16/2012 17:36:11 MST Print View

Whether or not you want a footprint depends on where you camp, but in general you don't need one.
If you want one- maybe because the ground is really wet/muddy, you can go with the the polycyro ground cloth from Gossamer Gear for $5 or $6 instead of the $40+ BA one. It will weigh a lot less too.

Mike W
(skopeo) - F

Locale: British Columbia
Footprint... on 01/16/2012 17:59:27 MST Print View

One of the advantages of a footprint is that you can set up the fly without the mesh inner bug tent (kind of a heavy-weight free standing tarp). I've never done this and won't. If I wanted to tarp camp I'd buy a tarp.

I do however, occasionally carry a footprint for my double wall tents for a couple of other (less talked about) reasons. If it's raining you can set up the poles and fly on the footprint and then put up the inner bug tent under cover of the fly to keep it dry.

I also find it easier to set up my double wall when it's really windy if use the footprint. You can attach the poles to the footprint and stake it down "before" putting up the the fly and mesh inner tent. This prevents it turning into a tumbleweed.

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Big Agnes Fly Creek3 on 01/16/2012 18:04:22 MST Print View

The purpose of the footprint is to contain most of the wear to that piece which can be easily replaced. Of course, a DIY footprint works about the same, and it doesn't cost as much. I've seen people using a DIY plastic footprint to reduce the wear to their real Big Agnes footprint, and that seems counterproductive and heavy.

If you pitch your tent only on easy surfaces like sand, then you don't need much of any. If you pitch where there are many sharp granite rocks, then you might think about it.

--B.G.--


(hegel1)
big agnes footprint on 01/16/2012 20:18:48 MST Print View

Big +1 on the gg polycro. They are so light that you may need to secure them with little rocks; be gentle, they tear. But I love that they're clear and so incredibly light and do everything that a footprint does. Cut them to size; they weigh, what and ounce?

Benjamin Ludwig
(Ender) - F

Locale: Mid-West
double v single on 01/16/2012 20:37:56 MST Print View

Whats the difference between double and single walled tents? Rain Fly is 1 wall and the tent is your second wall?

Dan Durston
(dandydan) - M

Locale: Cascadia
FC UL3 on 01/16/2012 20:47:57 MST Print View

Yup that's right.

A single wall tent is essentially a fly with the floor attached directly to the fly, so there's no netting (or fabric) as a second layer inside the fly.

With the FC UL3 (or any tent with a 30D nylon floor), you're fine without a footprint if you do a quick scan of your site to check for pokey sticks & rocks, and if you're not camping on an abrasive surface like gravel.

The thing I don't like about footprints - especially ones not designed for the tent, is that you often have some of the footprint sneak out from under the tent a bit. This is easy to have happen, as tents can shift/slide around even if you're careful to tuck the footprint in. If it rains and you've got a little footprint poking out, the rain lands ON the footprint and forms a puddle between the footprint and then floor. This is easy to do if you use a tarp etc and it can still happen with an OEM footprint if you get a bad storm with sideways rain etc.

I personally prefer just a more waterproof floor and choosing tent sites that don't contain harmful objects. So no footprints for me, except for car camping when I want to avoid wear on my UL tent caused by gravel, wooden or paved tent sites.

Edited by dandydan on 01/16/2012 20:56:14 MST.

Benjamin Ludwig
(Ender) - F

Locale: Mid-West
Thanks! on 01/16/2012 20:53:48 MST Print View

Cool thanks guys, your all awesome ;)

NW Hiker
(king2005ify)
Re: Big Agnes Fly Creek3 on 01/16/2012 21:35:28 MST Print View

Depends on the tent, I love my Hilleberg footprints...they cover not only the tent bottom, but all of the vestibule space as well!

Footprints do more than just protect the bottom, full coverage prints also greatly reduce moisture rising up from the ground.

I know they are not needed, but once you have this "luxury", it sure is tough leaving it at home. Great for entering the space, pulling off shoes, storing gear without setting in the dirt/mud, setting up the dog's bed, etc.

Here's a shot of one:
livefortheoutdoors.com/Netstar/StarCommunity/Modules/ImageGallery/Thumbnails/59/168459/43186_131545.jpg

http://hilleberg.se/product/staika-footprint

Edited by king2005ify on 01/16/2012 22:59:32 MST.