I am new to long distance hikes. I'm 31 and generally decent shape. I signed up with a group to do an overnight 18mi day 1, 12mi day 2. Should I do this type of trip for my first time? We will be packing light, around 20lb pack w everything. I just hate to cancel last minute although it would not cancel their group trip. Weather will be fine in Socal this weekend. Kinda worried about my feet/legs holding up...

Thoughts?

I think you'll be fine on the trip. I think 18 miles will be a long day for you but you should be perfectly capable of doing it. Last summer I hiked about 17 miles in a day. That was probably the worst shape I've been in for a long time because I didn't do really any expercise over the summer due to a surgery I was recovery from.

Make sure your shoes fit well, if they're a bit tight you might not notice that at home but on the trail it will get worse. Also carry gooed socks and be prepared to deal with a blister if you get one.

Have fun!

First time backpacking? What is the farthest you have backpacked in a day? Dayhiked in a day? I predict you might be hurting, but could make it.

Are you going along the coast? Or are you headed into some mountains? Since you're likely not going into the High Sierra, 18 miles is probably OK. The number of passes you have to climb will figure greatly into your speed and overall fatigue. You can roughly estimate that it will take 9 hours of movement, if that sounds doable.

Bring trekking poles. They will make things a lot easier on the first go round, IMO, especially on any climbs you'll be doing. You can probably get a cheap pair of "walking" or "fitness" poles at a department store if you don't want to invest REI-type prices at the last minute.

We are doing the Pacific Coast Trail around Lake Hughes. I will have hiking poles. I appreciate everyone's response. I appreciate the encouragement :) I am going to do it. So, finish packing, bed, and I will let you know how it goes when I return Sunday! Thanks!

Jeff if you're still there one more idea. Take some Motrin or Ibeprofin (whichever one reduces swelling). If you're in decent shape there's no reason you can't walke 18 miles in a day. You'll probably be sore but it won't be a death march. If you get sore you can pop a few of the pills (I know some people aren't fans of it but once won't hurt).

Thanks for that! I will pack that in case.

Day 1 sounds like a long day but you should be ok if not a little sore. I would love to hear how your trip goes since I'm in SoCal too (I have not done the PCT).

It's a great weekend for a hike!

Mike

I am going to file a minority report.

Fist time backpacker? New equipment? No idea of terrain? 18 mile first day?

I think this is too much. Yeah, you could probably live through it. Is that what you want?

Just to give you an idea, I am double your age, but also in great shape, cycling 20-30 miles a day, and riding hard. I don't ever plan a trip that includes an 18 mile day. Why? Because I hike at about 2 mph over reasonable terrain with a pack. ANd by the time you add in a couple of hours for breaks, lunch, snacks, I gott tie my boots again, wait, I have to pee....that's gonna be more like 11 hours on the trail.

And I have to ask what kind of people would invite a newbie on a hike like this?

YOu are better off starting with something shorter that gives you a few options in case you are tired, blistered, or just sick of hiking.

Just my 2 cents

I agree with Paul, for your first time out with no hiking experience and brand new gear over unknown terrain this will probably be too much for you.

Depends mostly on your feet/shoes. At 31, in reasonable shape, you can walk 18 miles with that weight provided your shoes & feet get along. A lot of ups/downs can make it tougher, but I still think you can do it.

2-3 years ago I had no long distance hikes under my belt, sat in a cubicle 50hrs a week and did zero exercise. My two friends and I rattled off two back to back 20 mile days on the AT with 20lb packs. Was I sore?? Absolutely, but we made it.

Ryan

You're on your hike right now so not able to read this, and thus my advice is of no use to you. Instead this is more like me placing a bet on how the trip will turn out, and hopefully stoking the fire so that you'll have something to entertaining to read when you get back!

You're first day is going to be brutal. Definitely doable if you're not overestimating your shape and have no underlying injuries (especially weak knees or ankles). Without knowing how to set a consistent pace you'll most likely hike fast and take breaks a lot. Think hare rather than tortoise. And this is not the most efficient way to hike. You'll get to camp much later than anticipated especially with shorter winter days and you'll probably not eat enough dinner since you'll be exhausted. With a 20lb pack on your first trip you'll also probably be uncomfortable or cold much of the night.

However, if you do enjoy the solitude and nature and all that good ol' adventure stuff you'll probably wake up tired but happy and the second day will go by too fast leaving you itching for another trip!

Come on guys. He is 31, in decent shape, on a moderate trail, with a group, and a total pack weight of 20 lbs. As long as his shoes fit he should be fine. He will probably have sore shoulders and legs; a minor inconvenience.

I am 32 and in decent shape. I try to do no more than 12 miles day. I do this because that is the limit on my scale of fun. I CAN do more per day, but it becomes no fun. I think he will survive the 18 mile day, but realize he don't want to do that much. Just my two cents. :)

I feel better about it because he's out with a group. That ought to help with pacing etc. When I'm not trained up for it 15 miles is about the most thats fun but 18 is perfectly possilbe.

I do not plan trips to hit a daily mileage average. But it is not uncommon for me to do 20+ miles in a day. That is not a super fast pace in moderate terrain. Now since I usually hike alone that statement cannot be verified. However I have hiked with Craig Wisner and the shortest full day we have done was 15 miles with a 9,000 foot elevation gain. The longest day was 25 miles, which included about 7 miles of snow some of it very deep on slopes. We always have time to stop for pictures, observe great views, check out neat stuff, take breaks, solve global problems, and enjoy lengthy evening conversations. I am in decent shape and only 61 years young.

Since our hikes have been in areas I am familiar with, I usually take the lead. I have gotten us lost (took a wrong turn) twice because I was enjoying our conversations so much I was not paying attention.

Some days I may do 10 or less miles. Everything depends on my planned route and how much time I have. Not posting this to brag because it isn't a big deal. Fishing poles and cameras can decrease mileage by 50% - 75% ;)

Nick, You describe my hiking pace and style exactly. I'm 43 and hope to keep it up at 61 like you. I agree that Jeff "should" not have a problem. Somethings that drive this are age and health and pack weight. Both look to be reasonable, but would think shaving 5 pounds off your back might be helpful.

Some considerations....
Does the 20 lb max truly include all gear, food and the most water you will carry on your back? Casual backapckers tend to carry more water than they often need to...Jeff how much water do you think you will carry when fully loaded. I am questioning this because you might end up with more weight than you think and lbs over 20 will reduce your chances.

Next concern is not legs holding up but is blisters. Do you feel comfortable that your shoes will not blister on mile 7? Severe blistering can be hard to manage.

Pace, this should not be a problem, except that this is a time of year when day light can be your enemy. I have found that you can cover 2-2.5 miles/hour at a leasurely pace (including breaks and sightseeing). A safe bet is 2.0. Now this means you either need 9 hours of hike time or you need to up your pace. My observation is typical backpackers hike for far less time than I do and sometimes try to make distance by hiking at a fast pace, especially if they are young and in shape. If this group is planning to hike for 6 hours (i.e. 11 am to 5:00 pm) and cover 18 miles I would suggest this will be hard for you and not enjoyable.

Often more important than distance is elevation gain (loss isnt much better). Elevation gain over short distances is the most difficult to deal with. My rough guideline is once getting over 3000 feet of elevation gain your are dealing with enough that may really slow you down. Even just 1000 feet over a short distance like a mile is hard and can slow you down to a snails pace.

So here is my thought. If you can really keep your pack weight down to <20 lbs total; if you feel good about not blistering; if you will be hiking for 9'ish hours to cover 18 miles; and if the elevation gain will be under 3000 feet over the 18 miles then my opinion is you should be fine.

Jamie

oops. I missed the post were he said he was going for it. It will be interesting to hear how it turned out.

Edited by jshortt on 01/08/2012 12:29:50 MST.

Good points Jamie

And my concern was that he was starting with a lot of new equipment, and with a group that wasn't going to be very happy about cutting their hike short if he had a problem.

It's now how I would design a trip to introduce someone to backpacking.

Can't wait to hear how it went.
My bet though is that it was somewhere between super tiring and miserable.

At 27 and 30lb pack, my last trip in the sierras consisted of a 1.5m/h pace, and at the end of a 10mile day I was ready to stop. Sure I probably could have taken a break and went a few more miles, but certainly not 8 more...
I was also running 4.5 miles every day prior to this trip.

I have no idea how people clock 2-2.5 m/h paces, unless they r on completely flat terrain, or never stop for lunch, snack, or potty breaks.

Let's just say I'm glad you are with a group!

Nick, I am 43 and am decent shape, but not nothing extreme. To stay in shape I try to walk 45-60 minutes a day, that's it. I don't have any problem doing 2.0-2.5 miles/hour and this includes any breaks. Other than stops for photos, gathering water, and a quick snack I do not take rest breaks all day. I just walk. It would not be uncommon for me to see 10k elevation change over 3 days. In other words flat is not common. I do admit that at time I have to push myself when the elevation the steap for long distances.

I have come to the conclusion that a light pack and hiking efficiency is the only reason I can do this. As teenager I was in much better shape than I am now. My pack typically was typically 30+ pounds including water and food. I don't think I ever hiked more than 12 miles in one day back then. I remember dropping my pack on the ground collapsing for a breaks not wanting to get up.

Now my pack rarely leaves my back and when it does its because I want to get something from a pocket. More often than not this doesn't even mean I have to stop. I drop the pack off my shoulder, swing it around, get what I need and keep walking. Realize I don't have a waist belt or even a sternum strap so this is easy to do.

My base weight ranges from 4.0-6.5 lbs. It was 4.0 on my last trip which saw rain and snow. I carry about another 4 lbs of food and water (2.5 days) and worn/carried items of 4.0 lbs. I can only describe a really light pack as feeling like you have super powers on the trail. 90% of my hiking is done solo.

Jamie

Edited by jshortt on 01/08/2012 20:27:41 MST.

@Jamie: Could you do me a favor and email what you just said to my wife?! I want super powers...:(

Actually, I guess I could see getting up to 2mph if I lost 20lbs from my pack, and was hiking alone or with someone in better shape than me. I do recall stopping or slowing a couple of times so my wife could keep up, last trip. Problem is that she's perfectly happy with what she's currently carrying and doesn't see spending the money to lighten our loads worth it. She's a trooper, makes me feel like whiner.

I'm interested to hear his report also. I've never been hiking in that area, but have read some PCT trip reports and some of the trail around that area sounds pretty steep with some significant elevation changes.

18 miles flat is certainly doable. 18 miles with long steep climbs is something else altogether.

That's a long day even if you are in decent hiking condition.

Hope it went well!

Nick, my last PCT pace was over 2.5 mph. My load was pretty light. I'm quite fat though. I figure my pace would probably be around 3.5 mph if I was skinny.

I won't be surprised if we don't hear back from OP.

WOOOW!! All the replies are amazing. Some taking bets on me, I love it, haha.

So the trip was great! First off I was with a group of experienced backpackers. I borrowed some of their gear. My pack was 20 lbs fully loaded, that included 3 liters of water as we had planned water stops. (Went through 7 liters total with cooking)

I will be honest. No, I was not ready for that mileage, but with a bit of a push I made it just fine. I am sore 2 days after the trip but I suspect tomorrow I will be back to normal. The hardest thing was keeping up with the other guys on the uphills. They hike a solid 3 mph up/level/down terrain so at certain points I needed to fall back and give it my own pace. Then when I did fall behind they waited at crossings and I was 3-4 minutes. No big deal, but do know that I need to condition these muscles for sure in this sport.

The hike Lake Hughes - Hwy 138 on the PCT. Was beautiful! It got to freezing overnight. Beautiful sunset that night and a full moon! I had a lot of fun.

So, miles 1-11 no real problems. 11-18 my legs were getting sore. Day 2 I was cramped up but after stretching I continued on with the group. 18-end I was fighting my legs. Needed to push on, and modify my pace.

It was a good first experience. I got to learn some lightwieght methods and try some gear. I have some ideas now on what I may want to go out and purchase. I will go again with this group. Lots of fun and good guys.

We did 5000+ total elevation climb, so I say I did pretty good for my first trip! The top was 5650ft, we slept just below that.

Edited by jeff6605 on 01/10/2012 12:03:14 MST.

Jeff,

Good for you! I knew you could do it and its sounds like you had a great time to boot. Well, you better start saving your money for the gear binge :)

My advice is to spend a lot of time here researching any gear you need before purchasing. Also, focus on quality/utility not price so you don't have to dump that cheaper-doesn't-work-as-well stuff.

Glad to hear that the trip worked out. It's good to know what you're capable of doing. I find that it really does provide a morale boost for future trips. I suspect most new backpackers probably enjoy about a 6 to 8 mile day, to avoid being too tired and to take in the scenery. Not that you shouldn't push yourself, but you'll know that you can do something a bit more relaxing without any troubles on future trips (if you want).

Glad it all worked out. Now that you have a good idea what your limits are you can plan feature trips around what works for you.

And, hey Luke. Thanks for the tips on the pain relievers. Vitimim-I came in handy!

Glad you enjoyed the trip! And yes, hang out here and become fully and completely addicted...

grin

Jeff,
Dang, I think that's pretty impressive for your first time out, especially with that elevation change!

Are you hooked yet? :)

Jeff, great job, glad to see you made it and made it back to the forum. I think you did better/more than most on this forum would/could do if they went out right now.
BTW, the second day back is always the sorest. Its all down hill from here.

Yes! I think I am hooked. I am really curious to hike some not too familiar locations like up in Oregon, Washington, or back east, maybe the AT. So many options. Its great exercise for sure. Just what I need. I am also getting into road biking. Coinsidentily looks like there are a lot of bikers on this forum too. I will be back for sure. Great info and people here! :)

Alright! Glad to here you enjoyed yourself despite the high mileage. You sir are a better man than I.
20lbs isn't too bad for your first trip. Do what others have said and research before purchase and don't worry so much about price. I went the cheaper route, it still cost me a fortune, and now I can't talk my wife into letting me lighten, 'cause the stuff we have "is perfectly fine."

I was one of the crazy leaders of this Meet-up group section hike of the PCT along with Todd Hein & Sandy Smith. We really enjoyed having Jeff with us. It was fun to see backpacking through the eyes of someone brand new to it. The other three of us hikers have been doing it a number of years and have gotten our kits down really low in weight.

I loan Jeff a bunch of gear from my seconds so he could really see how lightweight gear performs & to see how a low weight on your back helps to go down the trail a bit faster. He was carrying GG Mariposa Plus w/ Z-rest; Golite Adrenaline 20 degree; SMD Lunar Solo; BPL Cocoon Pullover, Patagonia R4 (since he was worried about being cold). He got to cook trail food for the first time, still were hike=ing a bit after sunset, get water out of a cistern with rigged line & pot.

Driving home we had the question: Why do you do this? :-)))))

I hope we didn't beat him up too much. The three of us are in our 50's so having a 31y/o (Dive master) we thought he might show us up. But the three of us can hike 3+ mph all day long, up, down, or flat and Jeff stayed with us. I hope he comes back for more.

Bwuahaha...y'alls better pay up before I gotta grab my trusty baseball bat!

Excellent work on your first trip, that elevation gain is killer.

Although those 50 year olds and their pace put me to shame, and I've only got half as much wear and tear on my legs!!

That's it, I'm going out this weekend to train!