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(livingontheroad) - M
jam 69.99 at golite on 01/06/2012 15:01:59 MST Print View

golite has the jam for 69.99

Kimberly Wersal
(kwersal) - MLife

Locale: Western Colorado
Re: jam 69.99 at golite on 01/07/2012 22:12:01 MST Print View

I assume this is the 2011 model. Does anyone have experience with this model? Is it possible to get the weight down a few ounces without major amputations? I am looking at the men's large for my husband...

Daniel Allen
(Dan_Quixote) - F

Locale: below the mountains (AK)
Re: Re: jam 69.99 at golite on 01/08/2012 03:34:06 MST Print View

Dave Chenault led a thread on it last summer: read it here. A few posts down he talks about the minor trimmings he did, and notes they didn't add up to very much. IIRC, this was THE post that substantively discussed that Jam model.

After heartily defending it in that thread, though, he later posted a write-up of a nearly complete MYOG makeover he gave it. Here's that thread.



This is a total aside, but I'm personally starting to wonder about chopping off the whole back pocket. I like my 2010 Jam for its ability to carry snowshoes so dog-gone well (I love the wrap-around ability of the compression straps, probably my favorite feature of the Jam and what (in my mind) gives it a place in my gear closet next to my CDT), but that back pocket just seems extraneous. it's obnoxious to access, and you can't see anything in there to make it any easier. It could be I'm a lousy packer, but I've come to prefer mesh in back. Chopping off that pocket would give me a big tubular pack with good side pockets and nice hip-belt pockets, and a flatter surface to put my snowshoes against.

Tangent over.

-Daniel

Brett Peugh
(bpeugh) - F - M

Locale: Midwest
not really on 01/08/2012 08:24:24 MST Print View

I picked one up and am sending it back. The side pockets do not hold a 1L Nalgene well. I thought I could replace the removable closed cell foam back pad but it is an odd shape and the sleeve that hold it in does not have a lot of room. I could try to use my ccf pad inside but that would just negate the back pocket which is pretty useless. I thought about trying to redo the back padding and the mesh but it is really not worth it as it would involve too much. I thought about replacing the back pocket also but it would involve too much also. I think it would just be easier for me to put a mesh back pocket on my Vapor Trail and use that since they are about the same weight.

Dave U
(FamilyGuy) - F

Locale: Rockies
Re: not really on 01/08/2012 10:11:44 MST Print View

Nalgene? Try a platypus bottle (80% less weight as well).

Ken Thompson
(kthompson) - MLife

Locale: Behind the Redwood Curtain
Re: Re: not really on 01/08/2012 10:16:06 MST Print View

"80% less weight as well"

only when empty.

Too bad about the pack. $70 is cheap.

Dave U
(FamilyGuy) - F

Locale: Rockies
Re: Re: Re: not really on 01/08/2012 10:29:34 MST Print View

"only when empty."

When did you change your definition of base weight?

Brett Peugh
(bpeugh) - F - M

Locale: Midwest
my take on 01/08/2012 10:39:31 MST Print View

Yeah, just not was I was looking for. You have to pack the back of it really well or it feels lumpy. The shoulder straps just felt odd if I tried to use the sternum strap and less so without. The side pockets were actually shorter than the main body of the Nalgene bottle. It weighs just about as much as my Vapor Trail which I feel handles the weight better and feels better against my back.

I think I might be going more towards a Gorilla or just modifying my Vapor Trail since it already has a lot of the features I want except for a back mesh pocket which is something easy to do.

As for the 1L bottles, I like my 1L Polyethylene because I never have to worry about it puncturing or splitting if I drop it or delaminating or anything else. It is something that is going to last 10 years, weighs 3.5 ounces, cost $6, is easy to pour anything into and something which I can use for just about any purpose that requires a liquid.

Kimberly Wersal
(kwersal) - MLife

Locale: Western Colorado
Re: Re: Re: jam 69.99 at golite on 01/08/2012 22:07:43 MST Print View

Thanks, Daniel, for the links--very helpful! And Brett, for the comments as well. While the pricetag is VERY interesting, I think I'll save my pennies for something like the CDT.... Or sell I few items collecting dust....

Chris W
(simplespirit) - MLife

Locale: WNC
Re: jam 69.99 at golite and chopping it up on 01/09/2012 05:27:10 MST Print View

Just be careful when you start pulling a Jam apart (take your time) and plan on being scared when you see the mess inside.

Brett Peugh
(bpeugh) - F - M

Locale: Midwest
HMG on 01/09/2012 05:27:35 MST Print View

bncpackn was selling a HMG Windrider pack for $155 shipped which is a pretty good deal and comparable to the CDT.

Dave U
(FamilyGuy) - F

Locale: Rockies
Re: HMG on 01/09/2012 08:15:12 MST Print View

Also, Amazon is selling the 'classic' Windrider here:

http://www.amazon.com/Hyperlite-Mountain-Gear-Windrider-Classic/dp/B005WU3GAE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1326122046&sr=8-1

It is quite a bit more pack (value for the $$) than the CDT.

Note on the CDT - I like the pack but it is noticeably smaller than a Jam FWIW.

Kimberly Wersal
(kwersal) - MLife

Locale: Western Colorado
Re: Re: HMG on 01/09/2012 21:42:05 MST Print View

Thanks! I actually have a Conduit, myself, and I think the CDT size would be perfectly adequate, but I will have to check out the Windrider--not really familiar with those packs and hadn't thought to check them out.

James Stewart
(Jstewse)

Locale: New England
Jam on 01/10/2012 10:57:07 MST Print View

The Jam is a great pack and this is a solid value, especially for someone looking to reduce gear volume and weight as an initial transition to UL. The Jam really carries pretty well, and I've never had issues with Nalgenes in my side pockets.

I actually like the big front pocket, but mesh would probably be more versatile. For the back pad connundrum, I just cut out the whole black back pocket and h20 bladder pocket, save for the bottom two inches or so, where the pocket it wider. I use 8-sections of z-lite for my pad and the bottom fits into the bottom piece of that back pocket very well.

Brett Peugh
(bpeugh) - F - M

Locale: Midwest
how? on 01/10/2012 18:38:12 MST Print View

What year do you have and what did you do secure the top of your z-lite? For me I would need to do that because I use a hydration bladder also.