after submerging for 20 min+
i found that
- the hands are effectively waterproof ... no air bubbles escaped and while there was a bit of a clammy feeling, no water came through so far
- the part near the wrist seemed to wick in moisture, this spread to the rest of the upper part on the inside glove ... it is possible that despite my best attemps, moisture did get through that "big hole" somehow ... however i was pretty careful, much more so that i would have been outdoors
so i do stand corrected in that they are effectively WP, the hands anyways for 20 min... however i can say that they will likely get damp fom snow creeping in as they are not full gauntlets, especially if youre taking them on and off ... however i do find they do dry quicker than leather gloves, and they do insulate decently when damp with a merino liner
ill post up rabs response once it comes in
this just makes me realize how good a deal this is ... $65 for an event glove that is warm, light, dexterous and "waterproof" ... intereting how they receive so little attention ...