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Hikin' Jim
(hikin_jim) - M

Locale: Los Angeles, CA, USA
Re: Re: Cannons and other stuff on 12/28/2011 18:03:04 MST Print View

A MUCH easier way to have an afternoon of fun: A bucket of soapy water and a garden hose from your natural gas supply. Then, obviously, you light the bouyant methane cloud as it floats away.
Got video?

HJ
Adventures in Stoving

Randy Nelson
(rlnunix) - F - M

Locale: Rockies
Cannon on 12/28/2011 18:10:02 MST Print View

That is cool. I only have 3 acres but my neighbor won't mind if I shoot into his property. He's got 2 civil war cannons so this would be right up his alley.

Sarah Kirkconnell
(sarbar) - F

Locale: In the shadow of Mt. Rainier
Re: "Adult responsbilities" on 12/28/2011 20:25:44 MST Print View

Psssttt: You can still blog to your hearts contentment and be an adult. You just have to make time for it is all. That is what I do! I write in the morning for example, before my kids are up. And hey, the leaves will always wait for you. Or at least they will start mulching on their own ;-)

David Thomas
(DavidinKenai) - M

Locale: North Woods. Far North.
Cannons and other (flammable) stuff on 12/28/2011 20:47:59 MST Print View

>"Got video?"

No, but here's a still:Methane Cloud

Less crosswind and you can develop a taller methane cloud before it breaks free due to its bouyancy.

Hot water and cold air make for more bounancy.

It looks wicked at night. Time to get some snaps of that.

This is 100% natural gas. NOT pre-mixed. Fuel air explosives are a vastly under-utilized technology, but the kids and I would be wearing "eyes and ears" with pre-mixed gases. And standing a lot farther back.

No one has called the Fire Department. Yet. YMMV.

Hikin' Jim
(hikin_jim) - M

Locale: Los Angeles, CA, USA
Re: Cannons and other (flammable) stuff on 12/29/2011 00:44:30 MST Print View

David,

You just got my vote for "world's coolest dad." lol.

HJ

Larry De La Briandais
(Hitech) - F

Locale: SF Bay Area
re:Fuel Price Survey Results (as of Dec 2011) on 12/29/2011 09:45:58 MST Print View

Ah, the joy of not being stuck in a city... :^)

David Thomas
(DavidinKenai) - M

Locale: North Woods. Far North.
Alaskan Fuel Price Survey Results (as of Dec 2011) on 01/02/2012 04:32:53 MST Print View

Since Jim went to all the work to cather that data, I went out and found the comparison points were I could. Two conclusions:

Home Depot doesn't charge Alaskans more than Californians. SLX alcohol $15.98/gal in either state. $6.69/quart in either state.

While Walmart charges us 12% more than you southerners. Coleman white gas gallon: $10.84 in AK, $9.68 in CA. Coleman propane/butane mix canister, 220g: $5.47 in AK, $4.88 in CA.

But I could find Camping Gaz, MSR, and Coleman canisters; SLX and green alcohol, kerosene and kerosene substitutes in our 5,000-person town (Kenai). REI in Anchorage would have a much bigger selection.

Getting further into the bush, I'd consider a stove that uses old-style 16-ounce propane-only canisters because they are the most readily available at camping, hardware and grocery stores. And are the cheapest for their fuel content.

Hikin' Jim
(hikin_jim) - M

Locale: Los Angeles, CA, USA
Re: Re: "Adult responsbilities" on 01/03/2012 12:40:21 MST Print View

sarbar wrote: > Psssttt: You can still blog to your hearts contentment and be an adult. You just have to make time for it is all. That is what I do! I write in the morning for example, before my kids are up. And hey, the leaves will always wait for you. Or at least they will start mulching on their own ;-)
Good plan, Sarah. Now, if I can just get myself to live within those limits. I went out and did more testing yesterday and now I'm all antsy to get it written up. I'm such a gear nerd. lol.

HJ
Adventures in Stoving

Hikin' Jim
(hikin_jim) - M

Locale: Los Angeles, CA, USA
Re: Alaskan Fuel Price Survey Results (as of Dec 2011) on 01/03/2012 13:22:24 MST Print View

Since Jim went to all the work to cather that data, I went out and found the comparison points were I could. Two conclusions:

Home Depot doesn't charge Alaskans more than Californians. SLX alcohol $15.98/gal in either state. $6.69/quart in either state.

While Walmart charges us 12% more than you southerners. Coleman white gas gallon: $10.84 in AK, $9.68 in CA. Coleman propane/butane mix canister, 220g: $5.47 in AK, $4.88 in CA.
Interesting data points. In my one trip to AK in 1991, I did find prices typically higher. Interesting that Home Depot doesn't pass that along. Actually, though Home Depot (in my opinion) overcharges for SLX. I've seen it in smaller hardware stores for less.

But I could [not?] find Camping Gaz, MSR, and Coleman canisters; SLX and green alcohol, kerosene and kerosene substitutes in our 5,000-person town (Kenai). REI in Anchorage would have a much bigger selection.
Could find or could NOT find? I assume "not". I'm surprised that kerosene was not available since it is frequently used for heaters. Maybe everyone is just using propane now. I usually see kero in rural areas more frequently than in the city, but I may have been in a farming/ranching area.

Getting further into the bush, I'd consider a stove that uses old-style 16-ounce propane-only canisters because they are the most readily available at camping, hardware and grocery stores. And are the cheapest for their fuel content.
I've heard that elsewhere too that in a lot of small towns, the 16.4oz/465g propane cylinders are all you'll find. You can get a Kovea adapter on eBay that will allow you to run standard backpacking threaded gas stoves off of a 16.4oz/465g propane cylinder. Unfortunately they're stainless steel (heavy), but I guess that's the least of your worries if you're carting around those heavy steel cylinders.

Is white gasoline fairly available?

There is better 100% propane for backpacking -- if you can find it.







HJ
Adventures in Stoving

Samuel C. Farrington
(scfhome) - M

Locale: Chocorua NH, USA
Fuel Price Survey on 01/04/2012 13:09:08 MST Print View

The Coleman 8 oz. Butane/Propane mix canisters have sold in the Walmarts hereabouts for $2.50 USD for several years ... until this winter, when the price spiked up into the $3-4 range, with no consistent pricing yet. The prices in the outdoor chains and local shops have always been much higher than the $2.50.

This canister consistently lasts me 6-7 days of trekking - no other equivalent one, MSR, Primus, etc., comes even close, whether labelled BU/PR mix or Isobutane.

It will be interesting to see where the Walmart price settles for the next camping season. Glad I have a bucket full of them that will take a season or two to use up.

Edited by scfhome on 01/04/2012 13:10:41 MST.

Hikin' Jim
(hikin_jim) - M

Locale: Los Angeles, CA, USA
Re: Fuel Price Survey on 01/04/2012 13:49:58 MST Print View

Wow. $2.50 is a steal of a deal for a 8oz/227g class canister.

Not sure why Coleman would last longer than other brands though. They should all be about the same. [scratches head]

HJ
Adventures in Stoving

Larry De La Briandais
(Hitech) - F

Locale: SF Bay Area
Brunton on 01/04/2012 14:53:46 MST Print View

I use to be able to get the Brunton 8 oz canisters at Sports Authority (or Chalet, can't remember which at the moment) for $3.50. I went to get some just before labor day this year and they no longer carried them. I knew I should have bought a bunch when i had the chance!

Hikin' Jim
(hikin_jim) - M

Locale: Los Angeles, CA, USA
Re: Brunton on 01/05/2012 01:09:32 MST Print View

Hi, Larry,

Yeah, that was Sport Chalet. That really was a great price, but they stopped carrying Brunton. Looks like they're phasing out Snow Peak. What's up with Sport Chalet?

HJ
Adventures in Stoving

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Re: Fuel Price Survey on 01/05/2012 02:01:32 MST Print View

"Wow. $2.50 is a steal of a deal for a 8oz/227g class canister."

That's a steal. I was in three different stores today, and the general price for a 4-oz canister was $4.50-$4.95. For the 8-oz canisters, it was $5.95-$6.95.

--B.G.--

Hikin' Jim
(hikin_jim) - M

Locale: Los Angeles, CA, USA
Re: Fuel Price Survey Results (as of Dec 2011) on 01/05/2012 11:10:53 MST Print View

I was in three different stores today, and the general price for a 4-oz canister was $4.50-$4.95. For the 8-oz canisters, it was $5.95-$6.95.
The prices you saw are pretty much the going rate. One of the reasons for my Fuel Price Survey is just to give people an idea of what the going rate is so that they can identify deals.

HJ
Adventures in Stoving

Edited by hikin_jim on 01/05/2012 11:12:29 MST.