Hi Eric

> the OP has indicated the desire to go barefoot or close to such in alpine conditions
Yeah, well, I think I would go a shade further and say that was a really BAD idea!

Why? One major reason I would cite is temperature. Barefoot (or maybe tennis shoes or VFF) in cold conditions could, or would, lead to your feet getting way too cold. First you lose feeling contact with them, which is pretty dangerous, then you start getting pain. If there is snow or snow melt: bad scene very quickly!

A secondary problem is that when your feet are cold and you start losing sensation, you become very prone to foot injury. Enough said there.

Joggers with a good sole and the option for VB socks - sure, I'll go for that. Wet feet, or exposed skin - nope.

We gave up extreme rock climbing a long time ago. You either do it every weekend to keep the edge, or you give it up. We still use those skills when scrambling around cliff lines in our UL footwear on walking trips, but at a low level. Not the same thing.

Somehow, I don't think we differ much. It's all really just using one's brain.

Cheers

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@Huzefa Interesting thread but how do you plan to test your gear? Do you plan multiple climbs at 11500 feet in different weather conditions?