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Brett Tucker
(blister-free) - F

Locale: Puertecito ruins
Re: Re: Re: Golite Breeze went for $188 on EBAY on 01/16/2007 21:01:50 MST Print View

Got a GoLite Breeze *prototype* over here - from before the company was born - AND it was worn by Scott "Yo-Yo" Williamson on the PCT for a spell. $1000 obo. :)

Actually, I'm holding on to it, even though the shoulder strap foam is basically made of cheese cloth on these pre-tweaked design. Call me a sentimental sap!

Doug Johnson
(djohnson) - MLife

Locale: Washington State
Re: Re: Re: Re: Golite Breeze went for $188 on EBAY on 01/16/2007 21:28:57 MST Print View

Cool Brett! Could you post a picture of that? I'd love to have a look!

Jason Shaffer
(PA_Jay) - F

Locale: on the move....
Golite pack sizing, etc. on 01/16/2007 21:46:50 MST Print View

Sorry for the delayed reply, just got in from a trip! I ordered the Jam2 in grease (grey). Yep, John Shannon's guesses on the colors sound right to me.

One thing to be aware of, according to Ryan's Frameless Backpacks Analysis (2003): "GoLite (Jam and Dawn) underestimates user torso lengths for their packs by a half to full size (1.5 to 2.0 inches)". So sizing up may be in order, especially at relatively heavier capacity when torso collapse becomes more of an issue. I'll try to post my initial impressions this weekend when mine arrives.

Here's the link to that article: http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/00194.html

Edited by PA_Jay on 01/16/2007 21:55:54 MST.

Carol Crooker
(cmcrooker) - MLife

Locale: Desert Southwest, USA
Re: Re: Re: ULA Amp and new SUL pack availability on 01/17/2007 07:13:35 MST Print View

Brian,
What is the volume of the main packbag? I've been looking for a very light, large volume pack with an internal frame for winter. I use the Mariposa, but would like a little bit more main pack bag volume - than 2900 ci.

Are you going to be at OR? I'd love to do an audio interview with you.

Christopher Plesko
(Pivvay) - F

Locale: Rocky Mountains
GoLite Ion on 01/17/2007 10:52:42 MST Print View

The Ion is slated for delivery tomorrow. I've got a long ride scheduled for the weekend in Moab if the weather doesn't change it's mind so I'll report back after I give it a good test. Of course I'll probably also post initial impressions up here too :)

Brett Tucker
(blister-free) - F

Locale: Puertecito ruins
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Golite Breeze went for $188 on EBAY on 01/17/2007 18:58:25 MST Print View

OK, GL Breeze prototype below. A latter-version I guess; not a whole lot different from the final pack. Mainly the shoulder straps are thinner, with less robust foam (note my jury-rigged pieces of z-rest) and no blaze-orange bar-tacking. (That's standard webbing on the straps, never mind the pixel aberrations in the photo). Other differences include, most notably, elastic cord and toggle on the rear stash pocket and side bottle pockets, which was both more secure and more convenient than the final-production stretch webbing, and was per Jardine's original specs. Also, the upper ends of the shoulder straps were box-stitched into the back panel instead of the outside. And the prototype's mesh was less robust than what ultimately emerged for public consumption.GoLite Breeze prototypeGoLite Breeze prototype

And just for fun, here's a prototype 2-person 3D quilt. Actually, it was barely roomy enough for one person, but according to legend this was Ray and Jenny's personal quilt, which fell upon some misfortune at the laundromat, was sent over to GL for whatever reason, and ultimately went out for field-testing. Photo taken at the Saufley's along the PCT in Agua Dulce.prototype 3D quilt

Doug Johnson
(djohnson) - MLife

Locale: Washington State
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Golite Breeze went for $188 on EBAY on 01/17/2007 19:59:36 MST Print View

Very cool- thanks Brett! Really cool to see those prototypes!

Hey all- another new Breeze going for a lot on eBay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=013&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=230077028956&rd=1&rd=1

Thomas Knighton
(Tomcat1066) - F

Locale: Southwest GA
GoLite Breeze on 01/18/2007 03:27:07 MST Print View

That's not the first time that pack's been listed either. Deal must have fallen through or something.

Tom

Doug Johnson
(djohnson) - MLife

Locale: Washington State
Breeze went for $112.50 on 01/18/2007 07:33:01 MST Print View

I think we're seeing a trend here...

Crazy!

Thomas Knighton
(Tomcat1066) - F

Locale: Southwest GA
Re: Breeze went for $112.50 on 01/18/2007 09:51:22 MST Print View

Yeah, that Tom won't be able to snag one....EVER!! :D

Tom

David Stenberg
(dstenberg1) - F

Locale: South
Jam 2 has arrived on 01/18/2007 10:04:26 MST Print View

I got the pack in the mail today. I really like it. In the past I have used size medium Golite packs, and I ordered the Jam 2 in the size medium. It may be too short for me though. I might have to return and get the large. I will see how it works with more weight, but who knows. The exterior pockest and shoulder straps are defintely an improvement. There seems to be a thicker back pad than the previous Jam, but I am not sure. The Compactor feature is interesting, but I am not sure if I would use it that much. It is not adjustable, but one size compacting. I cannot list pictures because I have never learned how. If I figure it out I will post them. Overall from first glance, this pack is going to be great for me!

Christopher Plesko
(Pivvay) - F

Locale: Rocky Mountains
GoLite Ion has arrived on 01/18/2007 16:56:42 MST Print View

Well I may have found my pack. It's definitly minimal but it's bigger than my REI flash, more durable, wider and more padded straps, without ditching the waist belt and sternum strap I want for controlling pack movement. If it weighs what they claim I'll be very happy. There is no framesheet or pocket, just a covered opening for the hydration tube to come out and a zippered top. Here's a few pictures comparing the REI Flash UL and the GoLite Ion.

ion vs flash
ion vs flash back
haul loop
zipper

Can it be modded lighter? Without chopping it up in a major way you can ditch the small haul loop, ditch the key leash, cut the straps down as they're way too long for me even with a fully loaded pack, lighten a buckle or two, ditch the two reflective GoLite straps on the shoulders, replace the zipper pulls with spectra and get ride of the elastic part of the sternum strap (I might just transfer the strap from my Flash over instead).

Can't wait to try it!

Edited by Pivvay on 01/18/2007 16:58:04 MST.

Roger B
(rogerb) - MLife

Locale: Here and there
Re: GoLite Ion has arrived on 01/18/2007 17:13:56 MST Print View

Looks Cool! However, it also seems tall, you purchased a large, what is the overall height? I also wonder how water proof/resistant the zipper is?

Edited by rogerb on 01/18/2007 17:14:31 MST.

Michael Freyman
(mfreyman) - MLife
Re: GoLite Ion has arrived on 01/18/2007 17:41:45 MST Print View

Niiiicccceeee ... hopefully mine is here by Monday ...

Christopher Plesko
(Pivvay) - F

Locale: Rocky Mountains
Re: Re: GoLite Ion has arrived on 01/18/2007 17:55:04 MST Print View

Overall height is about 23" from the base to the back of the pack at the haul loop fully loaded. It doesn't hit my helmet which makes it shorter than a Dawn with the extention collar up. If it hit my helmet I'd be screwed since it's too annoying when the pack does that.

The zipper looks like most standard WP zippers. I don't care if the pack is completely WP since my Flash is far from waterproof and it worked for me last summer although I wouldn't have complained if they also added a small storm flap.

Christopher Plesko
(Pivvay) - F

Locale: Rocky Mountains
GoLite Ion weight on 01/18/2007 19:22:20 MST Print View

Well I couldn't resist. I had to run some errands at the grocery store so I grabbed the headlamp and snowbike, stuffed the Ion with some clothes and did my errands by bike. The pack is really comfortable so far. I also had to run into the office to check on a machine and weighed the unmodded Ion.

9.72 ounces for a large. Once I trim the extra 2 feet of straps (I'm not joking) and do a couple other minor mods it should be under 9oz even which was my goal. If I'm really lucky I can hit 8oz with also swapping out the sternum strap for a lighter verson. Woohoo! 8oz SUL Dyneema pack!

Stephen Nelson
(stephenn6289) - F

Locale: Sunshine State
the jam2 on 01/18/2007 21:02:36 MST Print View

mine should be here on monday and I'll pictures up as soon as I can for any of you who are waiting out there.

Brett .
(Brett1234) - F

Locale: CA
Ion and Jam2 not on Golite.com? on 01/18/2007 21:58:54 MST Print View

Christopher, that Ion looks excellent, congratulations! And in Dyneema as well.. Hey, I tried to research these new packs (Ion, Jam2, etc..) but I cant find them on golite.com; are they too new, or did I miss them? I know they are on backcountrygear, etc.. but why not at the manufacturers site? Thought maybe you would know. Thanks.

Edited by Brett1234 on 01/18/2007 22:00:24 MST.

Thomas Knighton
(Tomcat1066) - F

Locale: Southwest GA
Re: Ion and Jam2 not on Golite.com? on 01/19/2007 03:17:44 MST Print View

Brett,

Honestly, they seem to just be to new. All the research I've done on these new packs was mostly from GoLite press releases and such. Their website seriously needs an update!

Tom

Christopher Plesko
(Pivvay) - F

Locale: Rocky Mountains
Re: Re: Ion and Jam2 not on Golite.com? on 01/19/2007 06:25:51 MST Print View

They are really brand new. GoLite should have everything updated by end of Feb from what I can tell but honestly they don't have any packs themselves yet. The online retailers have the first and only batch available for a little while. I learned about them on BPL from the outdoor retailer show article.

There was even a mistake on the Ion's tag about an male/female specific Ion but I talked to GoLite two days ago and the Ion is the only Unisex pack in the new line up.