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Craig Savage
(tremelo) - F

Locale: San Jacinto Mountains
Re: not really on 12/08/2011 11:00:18 MST Print View

"But that is just what I said on the group conference amd the financial advisors, etc...some he did need his position for. I think most of those weren't integral though."

welp, that is subjective... his name alone grabs people's attention as potential viewers - especially the lot that view the uber wealthy as American royality, or at least have the nagging curiousities about what luxury infused existance is like

"I didn't find him that genuine. I found him getting caught flat out lying to Milton Friedman. The guy seemed just like another misguided if well intentioned rich kid. He seemed arrogant and condescending."

You've called it propaganda and now the arrogance thing pops up again... me thinks it odd that any of the negative aspects (fiscal advisor calling him arrogant/trustafarian, the supposed "lying") would had ever made it past the editing room if either arrogant or propaganda applied. Did he have arrogant traits? maybe. Did the movie have bias tones? yep, neither one of these points ends in facts that establish his behavior beyond typical human or a movie that passes as a socialist propaganda piece.

"I failed to see in the news or anywhere people that were unable to escape ahead of time barring some obvious exceptions of elderly and/or hospitalized. Now it was a great tragedy, but one that wasn't really based on the wealth gap at all. Actually if the kids plans were in place the people would be even worse off. Less gap but still poorer. But back to Katrina. Living in Texas with the refugees and the Houston news fallowing closely all facets, I saw many accounts and testimonials of the buses leaving unused ore storm, people saying they would wait it out, etc. south Carolina university did a case study. They found people also failed to leave bc of distrust of authority/cops."

I apologize for not being more clear - you would be hard pressed to find a single source of material that encompasses all sides of a situation of this scale. If we wanted to point fingers though? The City failed to listen to warnings about the levee's integrity well before the storm hit. Innovative Emergency Management had absolutely zero experience in evacuating a flood ravaged city & it's estimated some 127,000 people had zero access to their brilliant automobile plan... in fact, under the Flood Control Act of 1928, it was the Fed's responsibility to evacuate the city when the levee broke. The Fed never notified State services for hours about the break/cracks... there were some heartbroken State Police whose celebration was cut short about the near miss of Katrina proper.

I'd never intended to bring this up, the only reason I did is my lack of clarity to the original point - you would be hard pressed to find a single source of information that truly represents the complexities of this terrible occurance. Not even a movie about the wealth gap.

"I mean his agenda to make rich people look bad and greedy. The continued focus on wealth gap and continually ignoring the actual increase in absolute terms of quality of life."

his focus was on the concentration of wealth amidst the most elite of the upper bracket (maybe 6,000 families?). The Estate Tax and a more progressive taxation rate for Corporations and the extremely wealthy seemed to find a great deal of the content within the film. Hardly propaganda nor an absence of views that would challenge the idea of the bottom end's quality of life. The emergence of a ruling class that influences policy making in government is a concern that spans all economic brackets, even the semi-wealthy can't get into this potential oligarchy "club".

"He continually tried to talk about his dads anti poverty film and how the evil company reprimanded him. He really seemed to edit and slant that.

You'll have to explain why that matters. His father was scolded by his family, not sure how "evil" comes into play... more like free market realism was examplified as generally lacking a moral compass

"He focused (induced the comments actually) on kinkos founder wanting to make hundreds of millions more but ignored the fact that the guy was the American dream personified."

Actually, he gave the Kinkos guy airtime on one of the most real points in the film - the perspective that the Earth's crust is thin and barely contains the violence of hot death under our feet. Our own society has examplified the cyclic and sensitive nature of this potential energy, his comments stuck with me like none other.

Craig Savage
(tremelo) - F

Locale: San Jacinto Mountains
Re: Re: The 1% on 12/08/2011 11:11:00 MST Print View

"Now let me be clear that I still am glad you posted this. I didn't feel I wasted my time. :)

I liked the several views into the super rich that we're intimate. The old ladies at the start, financial conference, Forbes for example.

To note. Since this came out the wage gap has closed considerably. Recessions do that."


Meanwhile, the socialist bailouts happen without regard for a Public that was obviously against them. A bipartisan effort that, seemingly, acted without the Republic's wishes being considered. A Fed that continues to spend more than it takes in with revenue, another bipartisan effort. Corruption that can easily be sorted with the age old adage of follow the money

Concentration of wealth is something to be appreciated when considering it's many consequences

Craig Savage
(tremelo) - F

Locale: San Jacinto Mountains
Re: The 1% on 12/08/2011 11:22:04 MST Print View

"here is another news documentary thats related in my opinion
see if this doesn't get you mad:

"Billions Behind Bars" - Inside America's Prison Industry"


I won't be able to watch it until tonight, but here is an article that I ran into a few weeks ago that seems to relate-

Wells Fargo takes heat over investments in private prison industry

"The advocacy group Small Business United on Thursday called on Wells Fargo to provide a full accounting of investments related to private prisons and immigrant detention centers.

Wells Fargo is one of the largest investors in Geo Group, Inc. — the second largest private prison company in the world contracted by state and federal government agencies. The group spends millions lobbying for stricter immigration enforcement."


Link

Brian UL
(MAYNARD76)

Locale: New England
Re: Re: The 1% on 12/08/2011 11:52:25 MST Print View

"Wells Fargo takes heat over investments in private prison industry"

oh yes, that CNBC report mentions all of them as well as the immigration holding cells. Big,big money. Scary to know that there is a wealthy powerful industry that makes money by getting you and your family into jail. But hey, they run more "efficiently" like Mussolini's trains.

Ty Ty
(TylerD)

Locale: SE US
Prison on 12/08/2011 15:34:18 MST Print View

The prison state is dumb. I wish we would focus on turning non violent offenders into good citizens not prisoners. You catch a guy selling drugs, spend thousands chasing him down and arresting him, haul him off, run him through the legal system, make him a convicted felon. Put him in prison for a while, then let him out. What exactly is he supposed to do from there? Usually he had very little by way of options prior to being arrested, now he is a convicted felon that spent time in prison. There about 4 jobs he is qualified to do now.

Why not instead focus on helping people become productive members of society, paying taxes, not being a burden?

I'm really not a bleeding heart liberal either. I'm actually pretty conservative. I just don't want my tax dollars spent manufacturing burdens on society and repeat offenders.

Ty Ty
(TylerD)

Locale: SE US
Freidman on 12/08/2011 16:29:04 MST Print View

Craig - one thing that he did that was arrogant is that he went into Milton Friedman's office with no new information, no new argument just to kind of grind into him arguments that he has debated, discussed, written about every which way, etc. Did he think Milton Friedman was going to just say 'oh, you are right, I was wrong, I never thought of that'.