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Joslyn Bloodworth
(JoslynB) - F

Locale: Southeast
Re: "Survival expert can't figure out how to pitch a tarp..." on 11/27/2011 09:19:10 MST Print View

I think it's funny he left home in a blizzard for a day hike and obviously didn't even take the 10 essentials. But what I can't figure out is if he's such a great survivalist why was he not utilizing his map and compass and then when he did look at them, why did he not belive them? If he's so skilled, he should have know the mistakes not to make when lost. Then again, I guess if you're so macho that you won't even admit your lost despite glaring evidence...

Eric Blumensaadt
(Danepacker) - MLife

Locale: Mojave Desert
"Plastic" on 11/27/2011 20:30:18 MST Print View

Wellll...

I've used "plastic" (Lexan) utensils for backpacking for decades and like 'em and they NEVER broke - just got lost sometimes.

This author must have been a Marine at one time to be able to destroy that much equipment. If your tarp does not have enough tie-out loops then it follows, don't use it in alpine conditions.

I do not use ti utensils for many reasons, all practical. But I do like my ti Sidewinder/Inferno stove. Ti has its place but anodized or anti-stick coated aluminum pots and plastic cups and plastic utensils actually work better than ti counterparts, and cost less.

I do covet a titanium rifle barrel for a Desert Tactical .338 Lapua rifle. Maybe the Dep't. of Defense will sell a few on surplus - or not.

Nick Gatel
(ngatel) - MLife

Locale: Southern California
Re: Survival expert can't figure out how to pitch a tarp... on 11/27/2011 22:41:42 MST Print View

Gee whiz...

I bet a lot of Backpacker readers really enjoyed the article. And that was his intent. He makes a living doing it. Know your audience!

Travis Leanna
(T.L.) - MLife

Locale: Wisconsin
Re: Re: Survival expert can't figure out how to pitch a tarp... on 11/28/2011 00:38:32 MST Print View

"I bet a lot of Backpacker readers really enjoyed the article."


Suffice it to say, wouldn't Backpacker readers be for the most part, backpackers? Yes, their audience is a bit different than ours, but some of that "wisdom" was absolute crap!



"And that was his intent. He makes a living doing it. Know your audience!"

Anything to make a buck, even if it means selling out your employer's namesake. Nick, you may be right, but it undermines the credibility of both the author and the magazine.

Davey Jones
(FamilyGuy) - F

Locale: Where there is snow
Re: Re: Re: Survival expert can't figure out how to pitch a tarp... on 11/28/2011 08:12:16 MST Print View

I got the impression that Mark was using a tarp above treeling in very inclement weather, specifically in the Wind River Range. If so, I woudn't use a tarp in those conditions either.

tommy d
(vinovampire) - F
Re: Re: Re: Re: Survival expert can't figure out how to pitch a tarp... on 11/28/2011 09:29:24 MST Print View

"I got the impression that Mark was using a tarp above treeling in very inclement weather, specifically in the Wind River Range. If so, I woudn't use a tarp in those conditions either."

That may be true, but even if that is the case there are plenty of sub-5 lb tents that I wouldn't want to use above the treeline in high winds as well. So, his advice isn't very helpful. Instead of learning the wrong lesson and giving bad advice about tarps, I wish he had instead written about choosing the appropriate gear for a specific area and actually knowing how to set it up in the field.

Also, in any situation, pitching a tarp by draping it over a rock and then piling rocks on the edges sounds like operator error to me. At another point in the article, he camped under some debris the he saw, but decided that it "hadn't moved in ages." Yet, during the night, some debris fell and ripped his tent. Should he blame the tent?

Overall, this is my problem with the article. We all make mistakes. He highlighted his mistakes, and I liked that aspect of his article. That said, you don't want to learn the WRONG lesson from your mistakes.

Chad Miller
(chadnsc)

Locale: Duluth, Minnesota
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Survival expert can't figure out how to pitch a tarp... on 11/29/2011 14:53:31 MST Print View

Meh, it sounds like the article has a basis in fact but has a heavy coating of satire.

I mean why get bent out of shape over the tarp use and the author saying not to use plastic because it will break? If I recall one of 'outraged' BPL'ers commenting on this thread wrote a very similar 'article' here where he said that unless you're wearing out your backpacking gear through heavy use every season you're not really backpacker.

Mina Loomis
(elmvine) - MLife

Locale: Central Texas
User error, tarps vs. tents on 11/29/2011 19:10:27 MST Print View

The previous comment about tarp setup and user error, in the context of whether a tent might be preferable, got my attention. And brought back this memory. It was our first backpacking trip to Guadalupe Mts. National Park. We were camped at the group site at Pine Spring. That area is famous for strong winds, especially in spring and early summer. 60-80 mph is common, 100 mph sometimes. Most in our group had one- or two-person backpacking tents (an early Half Dome, a couple of Clip Flashlights, a Walrus, and the like). Two of our number had Kelty Noah's Tarp 9's. Catenary, heavy, but tarps. That evening one of those windstorms blew up right about supper time. Within half an hour, *all* the tents were flattened, some with serious damage like broken poles. Only the two tarps remained standing and unscathed. I attribute this to two things: both were set pretty low and well-staked, and their catenary cut.

Fortunately this was after the backpacking part of our trip so the damage to the tents didn't interfere with the fun. In fact, the kids loved the excitement of the storm.

Backpacker has gone downhill. Nowadays it's mostly just dry trip recommendations and (suspect) "skills" bits that get repetitive if you read enough issues. It used to be a lot more fun to read, when there were articles about backcountry concerns and issues, and narratives of peoples' adventures.

Edited by elmvine on 11/29/2011 19:12:28 MST.