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Apple iPhone - Internet in your pocket
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Bill Fornshell
(bfornshell) - MLife

Locale: Southern Texas
Apple iPhone - Internet in your pocket on 01/10/2007 00:20:30 MST Print View

New Apple iPhone

Edited by bfornshell on 01/10/2007 00:21:52 MST.

David Lewis
(davidlewis) - MLife

Locale: Nova Scotia, Canada
Re: Apple iPhone - Internet in your pocket on 01/10/2007 06:27:39 MST Print View

I'm not a cell phone user... never owned one... and don't plan to buy one anytime soon... but this is a pretty amazing product. The multi-touch input is pretty cool... two finger pinch or stretch to zoom in or out... and a quick brush to scroll... very nice. They filed 200 patents for this thing. It's really more of a pocket PC with a 'next generation' touch screen / gestural interface than a phone. And of course... it has Apple's great software and user interface. Some minuses people are pointing out...

1. Not a 3g phone (whatever that means)
2. Small storage space for something that can play music, movies, photos, etc.
3. Might be hard to type on (wait and see)
4. Price (then again... it could replace your current phone, ipod and pocket pc / blackberry)
5. Tied to Cingular (which apparently isn't the best)

That said... give it a year and I'm sure the storage will double, it'll be 3g.. and it'll be cheaper.

I think one of the most interesting things about this phone is that Apple actually got Cingular to change their network protocols in order to support the iPhone's visual voice mail feature?! That is unheard of. It's never happened before. In the past... cell phone network providors tell you how to interface with their network... and you have to build to that spec. Period. Will be interesting to see if other providors make the same changes so they could also support the iPhone. One thing for sure... expect to see a LOT of third rate knock-offs within the next couple of years. Microsoft will probably come out with their knock off in 3-4 years time. They could call is the Zone :P

Edited by davidlewis on 01/10/2007 06:30:15 MST.

Curt Peterson
(curtpeterson) - M

Locale: Pacific Northwest
Re: Apple iPhone - Internet in your pocket on 01/10/2007 06:52:52 MST Print View

Or you could go with a Treo. Add one of those mini Bluetooth GPS receivers and you have a 6 oz. machine that can do pretty much everything the iPhone does PLUS Word, Excel, etc. AND has 20,000 programs out there to run on it. The iPhone looks cool, but I'll be sticking with the Treo for now.

And just to keep this BP related - I did take my Treo on my last trip. Nothing like fitting multiple novels in a 5 oz. package. And multiple Topo maps. And a digital journal. And a video (low quality) camera. And........

John S.
(jshann) - F
Re: Re: Apple iPhone - Internet in your pocket on 01/10/2007 08:20:27 MST Print View

3 G is third generation broadband capabilities in the phone. It will be added later. Got that off CNN. People are griping about battery life too in a device that includes a phone.

Frank Perkins

Locale: North East
Re: Re: Apple iPhone - Internet in your pocket on 01/10/2007 08:23:40 MST Print View

No offense, but I think comparing a Treo to the iPhone is like saying no need to buy a Porsche, I can just stick a spoiler on my Civic.

I have a Cingular 8125 [brick] and had an Audiovox 6600 and multiple Treos. I believe Jobs when he says the iPhone will revolutionize the cell phone industry.

What an amazing product. I haven't been this excited about a new "product" since the release of Windows 95. The only wrinkle I see is the initial offering of being on 2G only.

Bill Fornshell
(bfornshell) - MLife

Locale: Southern Texas
Apple iPhone - Internet in your pocket on 01/10/2007 10:11:59 MST Print View

I am saving my Soda and Coffee money for one of the 8 GB models when they come out in June.

The full specs:
Screen size: 3.5 inches
Screen resolution: 320 by 480 at 160 ppi
Input method: Multi-touch
Operating system: OS X
4GB - $499 - includes 2 year contract
8GB - $599 - includes 2 year contract
GSM: Quad-band (MHz: 850, 900, 1800, 1900)
Wireless data: Wi-Fi (802.11b/g) + EDGE + Bluetooth 2.0
Camera: 2.0 megapixels
Battery: Up to 5 hours Talk / Video / Browsing, Up to 16 hours Audio playback
Dimensions: 4.5 x 2.4 x 0.46 inches
Weight: 4.8 ounces / 135 grams

Edited by bfornshell on 01/10/2007 10:13:30 MST.

Douglas Frick
(Otter) - MLife

Locale: Wyoming
Re: Apple iPhone - Internet in your pocket on 01/10/2007 10:32:00 MST Print View

My question: will it have a USB port, and if so can that be used as a serial port to connect a satellite phone? There's no cell service where I hike. With Mac OS X, maybe a shell (for ssh) or a VNC client? I'm also wondering about GPS capability...

This phone has already been dubbed the "iWant".

Bill Fornshell
(bfornshell) - MLife

Locale: Southern Texas
Apple iPhone - Internet in your pocket on 01/10/2007 11:09:32 MST Print View


I am driving my local Apple Store nuts with questions. They are also very excited but it is just to new for much information to be out yet. They are really nice and we are having a lot of fun.

The iPod has a dock that can connect to a computer and is also the battery charger I think. My guess is the iPhone will also have a dock that is the charger and the interface (through ??) a USB port. Next question is will the OS X version on iPhone be the full version of what I am running on the Apple (2) that I have.

It would be nice to have a "serial port" and a "backpacking level GPS". What ever it comes with is a good start.

(RavenUL) - F
Re: Apple iPhone - Internet in your pocket on 01/10/2007 13:54:48 MST Print View

It doesnt have the capacity (YET!) of the iPhone, but the FIC Neo1973 cell phone is a fully open source phone, running linux, and capable of doing anything the iPhone can do. Its a big fat touch screen, like the iPhone, can be used as a GPS system, has a complete media player built in, and can run any of thousands already existing applications. It is built using the USB for power and data transfer, and can be used as a USB broadband modem for laptops.

Cost is only $350, and is unlocked as to service provider.

It SHOULD reach general availability around the same time as the iPhone.

Edited by RavenUL on 01/10/2007 13:55:33 MST.

Caleb Wininger
(caleb_sandler) - F

Locale: Michigan
I'm not sold. on 01/10/2007 14:54:02 MST Print View

Apple screwed themseleves by hitching their wagon exclusively to cingular. i find it highly unlikely that most consumers will pay $600 to switch carriers so they can use a device that does a lot of things adequately but nothing well.

on top of that, if you are hardcore enought to take a fragile(apple product= kid gloves!)big $$$ device into the BC then more power to you. Remember, you are subject to your carrier's coverage, spotty at best in a lot of the wilderness.

there have been quite a few combo devices in the past and all of them have been marginal at best (i.e, the LG chocolate). i think this is another one of those, a niche product.

not trying to bash the thing befor it comes out but i'm bummed after all the hype. way too much $. i think of how many times i've dropped my ipod: none. i treat it like a newborn. how many times have i dropped my phone?: about 300. it just migrates around my person too much to take care of well, but it's not a big problem because it's relatively cheap and pretty burly. the iphone appears to be neither.

i think the treo idea might be the best for bpl'ers. cheaper, and it appears to be more sturdily built.

Edited by caleb_sandler on 01/10/2007 14:54:33 MST.

James Pitts
(jjpitts) - F

Locale: Midwest US
Re: I'm not sold. on 01/10/2007 15:15:09 MST Print View

I just got done DUMPING Cingular...

(RavenUL) - F
Re: Re: I'm not sold. on 01/10/2007 15:22:33 MST Print View

I dumped cingular myself about a year ago. Their phone service was ok, but their customer service was HORRID! My wife flat out refuses to go back to cingular.

Frank Perkins

Locale: North East
Re: I'm not sold. on 01/10/2007 17:00:22 MST Print View

I have Cingular and they're not *that* bad. I would have picked Verizon, but my company picks the phone.

I wouldn't say Apple screwed themselves as much as *we* have been screwed by the telephone companies. Apple made Cingular change their backend systems to support their innovations. If this means the end of crippled BT, wifi, etc, I'm all for it.

Remember, Cingular is the initial partner, but I'm sure you'll hear about other companies coming on board as the product matures. If Jobs can have Google *and* Yahoo on board, I'm sure he's looking at other carriers as well.

That being said, it's time for me to shut down my ibm thinkpad and call my wife on my cingular 8125 brick ;-)

Mike Barney
(eaglemb) - F

Locale: AZ, the Great Southwest!
Can't call it an iPhone anymore... on 01/10/2007 18:41:41 MST Print View

Going to be interesting to see if they work this one out or not... There's a lot of Jobs' prestige (or crow) riding on this Cisco registered trademark.

John S.
(jshann) - F
Re: Apple iPhone - Internet in your pocket on 01/10/2007 18:45:46 MST Print View

I want a satellite text messaging device : ).

Randy Brissey
(rbrissey) - M

Locale: Redondo Beach, CA
Iridium Two-Way Pager on 01/10/2007 19:00:58 MST Print View

I keep looking at the satellite phones and keep wondering about PocketMail. Iridium (Motorola) did make a pager but it is inidirectional. I wish that one of those Sat-Phone companies would make a two-way text messager.

I second John Shannon!

Edited by rbrissey on 01/10/2007 19:01:29 MST.

Mike Barney
(eaglemb) - F

Locale: AZ, the Great Southwest!
Inmarsat C = Two-Way Pager on 01/10/2007 19:24:15 MST Print View

To your request, Inmarsat C, a satellite store and forward messaging system, provides 2 way messaging (up to 32K each way) as well as SMS service. That's the good news.

The bad news is they weigh much more than the +/- 8-10 ounce small satellite phones. The 'C' I'm familar with is about 3 Kg, and requires a 12V battery, and is typically placed on vehicles or other assets that need to be tracked.

Some of the sat phones have a low rate data / IP data capability, so that may get you where you want to go on a slightly different path.

There are some systems that do exactly what you want in a **very** lightweight, very small package, more good news. The bad news, you can't afford them and they're currently only available to the US Government. Why mention it? Because there's a trend for this type of technology to migrate to commercial technology in time. The time will come within 3 - 5 years where realtime multi-mode tracking and SMS anywhere are an affordable reality.

If I really wanted 2 way data anywhere, I'd go with one of the lightweight 8-10 oz data capable sat phones.


Randy Brissey
(rbrissey) - M

Locale: Redondo Beach, CA
Thuraya Phones on 01/10/2007 19:44:51 MST Print View

I was just on another Sat-Phone website and they have two phones; one 130grams and the other 170 grams. The second is a SatPhone, GPS and GSM phone all rolled into one............

but there is a catch, not over here!

Then again a few years ago I thought of a crazy idea where all of the PCT traffic could have a locater on them and we could all go to a website and track the whereabouts of all of the herd traveling north.

The "Real" idea that I pondered was to have small (sub 4 ounce) sat-messengers that you could use to textmessage all of your new-found friends on the trail each day. Maybe again also your loved ones back at home too.

Maybe again repacking supply boxes for every whim is not everyones idea of a vacation for the person infected with "Wanderlust".


Edited by rbrissey on 01/10/2007 19:45:42 MST.

Randy Brissey
(rbrissey) - M

Locale: Redondo Beach, CA
I forgot Something! on 01/10/2007 19:47:56 MST Print View

While we are at the do all gadget, maybe some satellite radio also?

Mark Larson
(mlarson) - MLife

Locale: Southeast USA
Re: Apple iPhone - Internet in your pocket on 01/11/2007 01:09:05 MST Print View

Yeah, it looks amazing. What really has me excited:
-It's running OS X. Lots of potential for cool 3rd-party apps.
-Even more importantly, this is just the first attempt! Remember the original iPod? That thing looks primitive now. It was only 2 years later that we got the iPod mini. I can't wait to see how the iPhone turns out in a few years...