MYOG Alky stove query
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Joslyn Bloodworth
(JoslynB) - F

Locale: Southwest
MYOG Alky stove query on 11/12/2011 14:05:30 MST Print View

As any good MOYG'er, I spend a good bit of time looking for interesting things to make stoves out of but I have had some issue with one thing. To go as low weight as I could I've been going with smaller and smaller pots and I'm starting to have an issue with the diameter of my pots vs those of my MYOG stoves. I hate it when the flames don't just lick up the sides but leap and even the smallest diameter can I can cut with scissors/wire cutters is still too big for my 12oz Heiny Pot. I have a really hard time getting my boiling water off the stove which either means too much water might have boiled away when I get it off or I have to be really accurate with my fuel guesstimates. And sometimes I like to use enough fuel to boil my water for my meal and then refill the pot quickly and set it back on for my hot beverage. I've tried gloves and bandanas which either get too hot too fast or I'm fairly certain will catch fire/melt. I really don't like carrying a pot grabber, unless there is one I haven't heard of that can do something else too. Any suggestions?

Erik Kolesar
(BurningDaylight) - F

Locale: North Metro, Atlanta
A couple of thoughts on 11/12/2011 15:53:26 MST Print View

Your might want to try some silicone wrist bands around your Heiny pot, I know they worked wonders for me on my hot beverage set up that I take on bike rides. Nothing better than a cup of hot chocolate in the middle of a long cold bike ride. As for your stove have you tried a tea light tin ala Jason Klass, or other open top type stoves. A pressurized top burned like the Minibull Designs Atomic might also be a great choice and produce a boil faster than the open top type.
Good luck.

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: MYOG Alky stove query on 11/12/2011 15:56:40 MST Print View

There are some stove designs that put out a narrow flame. How many of those have you tried?

Approximately what is the diameter of your MYOG stove?

--B.G.--

John Donewar
(Newton) - MLife

Locale: Southeastern Louisiana
Re: MYOG Alky stove query on 11/12/2011 16:17:29 MST Print View

FYI here are a couple of links to give you some info for a MYOG version of this Heiny Pot heater.

http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/forums/thread_display.html?forum_thread_id=8815

http://www.end2endtrailsupply.com/The_Gram_Weenie_Stove.html

I'm all for MYOG, it is what I do, but for $12.00 I'd buy not build.

If you need longer burn times...

http://www.end2endtrailsupply.com/Gram_Weenie_PRO.html

...check out the bottom RH picture of the stove under a Heiny Pot. The flames seem to be licking up the sides a little in this picture.

If you email or call George. Tell him what you are looking for and he will help you pick the right stove.

BTW he is a regular on this site and I am proud to call him a friend. If you do contact George tell him Newton said hello. ;-)

Party On,

Newton

Joslyn Bloodworth
(JoslynB) - F

Locale: Southwest
Alky Stoves on 11/12/2011 17:32:49 MST Print View

@ Erik - The issue that has been brought up and I'm concerned with myself is that the silicone bands can melt. Also I'm dealing with a 12oz Heiny I got specifically for solo treks so it's much shorter than the 24oz. As for Jason Klass, it's his fault I got into making my own stoves in the first place. I do have and use a tealight setup and it works great, I was looking for what options I might have for something a tad more fuel efficient and faster for those trips where I need it. I had wanted to try and make my own but Newton might be right about buying. I'll have to keep Minibull in mind.

@ Bob - The smallest diameter I can find is the mini fancy feast cans which I believe are 2" but making them into supercats makes the bloom much wider. Part of my problem is I do not have any access to power tools and no funds to buy my own so the best I've got is a hole punch, wire cutters, ice pick and some old kitchen shears.

@ Newton - I totally forgot about that stove! That is a great option.

Michael Ray
(topshot) - MLife

Locale: Midwest
Re: Bail for Heniey pot on 11/12/2011 17:49:49 MST Print View

Another member sent me his unused Heiney pot (24 oz) and he'd added a bail to it with thin wire around the upper band and a couple fishing couplers. I'd assume the same would work on the 12 oz "keg". Not sure how you'd pour it one handed but you could certainly pick it up.

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Alky Stoves on 11/12/2011 18:31:08 MST Print View

"The smallest diameter I can find is the mini fancy feast cans which I believe are 2" but making them into supercats makes the bloom much wider. Part of my problem is I do not have any access to power tools and no funds to buy my own so the best I've got is a hole punch, wire cutters, ice pick and some old kitchen shears."

I find the 1.5" aluminum bottles to work good. However, the aluminum is thick enough that it requires a hacksaw and a drill.

--B.G.--

adam spates
(adamspates) - F

Locale: southeast
redbull on 11/12/2011 20:25:55 MST Print View

I've made many stoves successfully out of the 8oz redbull cans. The one I like the best is a pressurized sideburner with 12 holes on the side. Pressurized stoves don't have problems with flames jumping when you take off your pot, only open top burners have this problem. If you like I can post pics of a redbull stove.

Joslyn Bloodworth
(JoslynB) - F

Locale: Southwest
Re: Stoves on 11/13/2011 06:50:39 MST Print View

@ Michael- I may do that even if I do find a stove design that works. I love that idea and for me pouring isn't an issue since I made my Heiny his own little cozy.

@ Bob- yeah that's where I hit a wall. If I could find someone with a hacksaw my problem would be solved because I do love the durability of the aluminum bottles.

@ Adam- Pictures would be great! You can never have too many stove designs. :)

Erik Kolesar
(BurningDaylight) - F

Locale: North Metro, Atlanta
rough stove ideas on 11/13/2011 08:59:08 MST Print View

Here are a couple of stove designs I've been kicking around. They are made out of travel size AXE and Barbasol cans the cans are 1.25" diameter. The Barbasol stove is 1.25" height and has 48 thumb tac size jets, it holds just under 3/4oz of fuel. The cup is an old car camping stainless mug bottom diameter just under 3.5". Boiled 12oz of cold tap water in 12min.Barbasol stovestove and cup
The AXE stove is the same diameter but is 2" in height and has 8 hole punch size jets. It will hold just over 1oz of fuel, the pot is what I take to make hot beverages and has a bottom diameter of 4". Performance was about the same. I usually use a redbull size side burned stove with that pot.axe stoveaxe stove with pot
Both stove need some work to maximize performance they are just some rough ideas.stove

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Re: Stoves on 11/13/2011 13:27:45 MST Print View

"If I could find someone with a hacksaw"

I don't remember which store this was, but I purchased a simple hacksaw blade with a basic handle attached. That's all there was to it, and it was cheap.

If you get more advanced, you buy a Dremel tool. That is a small electric tool that will accept all sorts of drill bits and cutting blades. In fact, there is a cheap Chinese knockoff Dremel tool on the market for about $10. Ask around your neighborhood, and somebody will have a Dremel tool. In fact, the Dremel tool owner will likely cut your aluminum for you to prevent a beginner's accident.

--B.G.--

Hikin' Jim
(hikin_jim) - MLife

Locale: Los Angeles, CA, USA
Re: Re: Re: Stoves on 11/13/2011 19:22:44 MST Print View

For aluminum bottles, I think you could just buy the hacksaw blade and use a folded bandana or towel (two) to hold the blade. It's not like you're sawing something that thick. A blade alone is pretty cheap.

A pressurized top burned like the Minibull Designs Atomic might also be a great choice and produce a boil faster than the open top type.
Good luck.
I've got an MBD Atomic. Nothing bad to say about the stove, and it does have a nice narrow flame. The thing that I found with an Atomic with a narrow pot was that the narrow flame would hit the pot dead center -- and spread out and spill up around the sides. A lot of heat was still being wasted even though the flame started narrow. I was using the pot stand that came with the stove.

Bob suggested in another thread that a wide, short pot might just be a necessary evil. A narrow, mug shaped pot is a tough one on which to prevent flame "spillage" (flames/heat being wasted up the sides of the pot).

HJ
Adventures in Stoving

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Re: Re: Re: Stoves on 11/13/2011 19:43:42 MST Print View

I just weighed my short, fat tea kettle again. 2.8 ounces with lid.

--B.G.--

Hikin' Jim
(hikin_jim) - MLife

Locale: Los Angeles, CA, USA
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Stoves on 11/13/2011 21:04:01 MST Print View

Bob,

That's nice and light. If I may ask, what brand is it, and where did you buy it? How much capacity does it have?

HJ
Adventures in Stoving

Edited by hikin_jim on 11/13/2011 21:04:46 MST.

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Stoves on 11/13/2011 21:37:19 MST Print View

aluminum tea kettle

There is no brand, no label, no packaging. I purchased it at the Daiso (Japanese "dollar" store). The price was $1.50, as I recall. I have gone back to that store and another to see if they have more, but so far I haven't found 'em.

The practical capacity is 16 fluid ounces. To the brim, it is 20 fluid ounces.

A person could trim an inch off the spout and the plastic knob off the lid, but the weight savings would be minimal.

--B.G.--