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Grand Canyon- Double Crossing aka "Rim-to-Rim-to-Rim"- BPL Group Run
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torrey saylor
(everyday) - F

Locale: south rim
canyon run/pics on 04/10/2012 07:05:11 MDT Print View

heres a link to some of my pics from other runs down there. Page 2 has cloudy-pics too, that may be how it is this weekend...who knows. Anyway, just thought id share ta keep ya guys psyched up! Its sooo pretty here, you guys are gonna have a blast no matter the weather

Mike M
(mtwarden) - MLife

Locale: Montana
Pack on 04/10/2012 07:20:16 MDT Print View

Craig- looks good :) I'm going to load up everything for a test this evening, good chance I'll be moving up to my Talon 11 it's only 6 oz heavier than the 5.5 (22 vs 16 oz), but hold bulky stuff better (ie nanopuff)- also has belt pockets which are handy.


Mike M
(mtwarden) - MLife

Locale: Montana
Re: re: Ride from the Airport? on 04/10/2012 07:22:59 MDT Print View

Eric- try pm'ing David- he's arriving Friday morning and renting a car


Eugene Smith
(Eugeneius) - MLife

Locale: Nuevo Mexico
"Grand Canyon- Double Crossing aka "Rim-to-Rim-to-Rim"- BPL Group Run" on 04/10/2012 07:32:39 MDT Print View

Thanks for sharing the photos of your Rim/Canyon runs Torrey. You're spoiled! I can't wait to get up there and take it all in- rain, snow, sleet, or shine.

I still need to get my gear together, when I do I'll post up a proper list. I don't own any shell pants and I'm not 100% sure I'm going to bring a puffy; probably going to just pack a heavier weight midlayer (Cap 2 or 3) and keep moving. I suppose the weather will dictate that decision as always.

Art ...
(asandh) - F
Re: "Grand Canyon- Double Crossing aka "Rim-to-Rim-to-Rim"- BPL Group Run" on 04/10/2012 07:50:32 MDT Print View

gear looks good, although micro spikes look a bit heavy.
I'll probably go with my bright yellow Bbee, hard to get lost.
is that a weiner dog ? I have two at home.

my Cap 3 shirt = 214g , Nano Puff = 274g
no brainer which one I'll bring.

Eugene Smith
(Eugeneius) - MLife

Locale: Nuevo Mexico
"Grand Canyon- Double Crossing aka "Rim-to-Rim-to-Rim"- BPL Group Run" on 04/10/2012 14:27:28 MDT Print View

Yes, I have a nanopuff Art (parka), it's a bit of sauna suit when worn while non stationary, even light hiking. I take it you have the np pullover. Do you plan to stop much?

I've been going back and forth between bringing my UD Wasp vest or my Arcteryx Aerios 7 pack, loaded all my stuff and I like the way my junk packs in the Aerios instead. Originally planned to take two bottles inside my pack, but will load up a nalgene cantene 1L platy style container instead.

Art ...
(asandh) - F
Re: "Grand Canyon- Double Crossing aka "Rim-to-Rim-to-Rim"- BPL Group Run" on 04/10/2012 16:08:30 MDT Print View

I have the pullover, no hood, nano puff to keep it as light as possible.
I will not run with it on generally. will put on my Triumph shell first.
But 3 years ago, I remember the last 6 miles back up to the south rim being very cold. between the night time, gaining altitude, and being very tired and depleted, something warm was quite welcome.

my triumph shell combined with my nano puff is my version of an emergency bivy. something you can put on to keep hypothermia away and still keep moving.

Re. stops ... they will be short and few. basically just at water refills, and maybe 5 minutes at the north rim.

Edited by asandh on 04/10/2012 16:10:24 MDT.

Mike M
(mtwarden) - MLife

Locale: Montana
Re: Re: "Grand Canyon- Double Crossing aka "Rim-to-Rim-to-Rim"- BPL Group Run" on 04/10/2012 16:22:35 MDT Print View

this was so much easier when it said 65 and sunny! :)

Dan Hewins
(hewinsd) - F

Locale: Chihuahuan Desert
photo/video? on 04/10/2012 16:58:40 MDT Print View

Are many of you planning on bringing cameras to take photos/videos along the way? I had planned on bringing my digital camera, but with the wet weather it may just turn out to be a lot of extra mass to haul around.

Edited by hewinsd on 04/10/2012 17:00:17 MDT.

Art ...
(asandh) - F
Re: photo/video? on 04/10/2012 17:17:01 MDT Print View

you mean BPL hasn't hired a film team in a helicopter to shoot this thing ?

Edited by asandh on 04/10/2012 17:17:49 MDT.

Dan Hewins
(hewinsd) - F

Locale: Chihuahuan Desert
Re: Re: photo/video? on 04/10/2012 17:36:13 MDT Print View

I think they're coming, but for a different group running the canyon...

Hiking Malto
(gg-man) - F
Film Crew on 04/10/2012 18:01:27 MDT Print View

I will have my trusty iphone. It survived the PCT (but not one of foster dogs that ate it.) and I will be taking as many pictures/videos as I can. Even though we may be a few different groups we all should meet and pass north of the river. I hope to get some pictures of a whole line of runners/hikers. It's getting close!

Eugene Smith
(Eugeneius) - MLife

Locale: Nuevo Mexico
documentation on 04/10/2012 18:12:31 MDT Print View

I will have my p&s on me.

Art, the helicopter supported filmcrew apparently doesn't fly during inclement weather, and the mule train supported film crew moves too slow.

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Film Crew on 04/10/2012 18:23:10 MDT Print View

You should get David Brashears and the IMAX film crew.


Craig W.
(xnomanx) - F - M
Film Crew on 04/10/2012 18:51:50 MDT Print View

Better be a film crew, I didn't buy all this Arc'Teryx for nothing.

Mike M
(mtwarden) - MLife

Locale: Montana
Re: Film Crew on 04/10/2012 18:54:58 MDT Print View

or Patagucci either!

Art ...
(asandh) - F
Re: Re: Film Crew on 04/10/2012 18:57:48 MDT Print View

their loss if no film crew.
there should be epic suffering.

Reason #1 to bring that warm puffy jacket :
Saturday night temps forecast
South Rim 26*
North Rim 22*
don't want to be caught after dark in that without something warm.


Locale: Greater Gila
re: snow on the ditch on 04/10/2012 18:59:44 MDT Print View

NOAA is now projecting a 70% chance of 3-5 inches of snow on the North Rim. Sounds like it will be beautiful, albeit cold and wet down under the rim..??? My excitement level just got a bit higher. Now I have to hope that flights open up a little bit from Salt Lake City to PHX to allow me to squeeze in on my standby flights...

Has anyone read about, or considered, stashing gear under the bridge at the river? It seems like most of the layers that we would need would be for descending from and ascending back to the South Rim. I'm thinking things like tights and some gels won't be needed until it starts to get dark again, so it would be nice to free up some space in the pack as well as lighten the load. I'm not sure if critters are a problem, but I'm pretty sure that I've read of Krupicka and at least one other person stashing food under there.

I'm hoping to run with my UD Wasp, although it will be stuffed to the gills and a junk show. My gear list just grew:

Head to toe:

-Headsweats Visor
-Fleece beanie
-Synthetic tee
-Arm warmers
-Patagonia Houdini
-Marmot Super Mica rainjacket
-Black Diamond midweight gloves
-OR Rain Mitts
-Synthetic boxers
-Capilene 1 bottoms (may bring Pearl Izumi tights instead, but they are heavier and not as warm when wet)
-Golite Reed wind pants in the pack
-Garbage bag skirt
-Drymax socks (spares in the pack if/when rain stops)
-Dirty Girl Gaiters
-La Sportiva Vertical K shoes
-Yak Trax Pro?? (Microspikes will be overkill. Hardpacked snow is no big deal, but dust on crust is...)

This huge list is what got me thinking about lightening and slimming down the load. 4 days to go gents!

Edited by vaporjourney on 04/10/2012 21:17:43 MDT.

Art ...
(asandh) - F
Re: re: snow on the ditch on 04/11/2012 07:36:53 MDT Print View

there's a path in "Game Theory" that I tend to live by called "mini max". it basically refers to planning for and avoiding a worst case scenario.

I never stash gear along a run that I may need later. Worst case its not there when you return. You guys can stash ... I will carry.

microspikes are probably heaviest part of your load and you won't be using them much. maybe just drop them and tippy toe thru the short snow section at both rims.

Edited by asandh on 04/11/2012 07:45:48 MDT.

Mike M
(mtwarden) - MLife

Locale: Montana
snow on 04/11/2012 08:03:58 MDT Print View

if the forecast holds (still hoping it might change for the better :) ) this will be my "microspike" substitute, I ran in these all fall/winter/spring and they fared pretty well in the snow/ice


packed some stuff last night and the Talon 5.5 is now out and the 11 is in, I added a puffy, rain jacket, r1 bavaclava, rain mitts

I'm bringing shorts and a short sleeve cap 1, but if the forecast holds they'll stay in my suitcase- I'm bringing both tights and r1 pants, if it's really cold I'm going w/ the r1's- not as windproof as the tights but do better in the cold and wet, if the film crew is there I'll probably go w/ the tights regardless :)