Grand Canyon- Double Crossing aka "Rim-to-Rim-to-Rim"- BPL Group Run
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Thom Darrah
(thomdarrah) - MLife

Locale: Southern Oregon
Grand Canyon- Double Crossing aka "Rim-to-Rim-to-Rim"- BPL Group Run on 11/14/2011 06:55:24 MST Print View

I would likely come into Vegas also. I will try to commit prior to mid December.

Craig W.
(xnomanx) - F - M
Re: re: R2R2R on 11/14/2011 08:05:53 MST Print View

So if the water's off, it sounds like the longest stretch we'd have to camel up on would be ~14 miles, from roughly the base of the North Rim climb, to the top, and back down. Not bad.

Art ...
(asandh) - F
Re: R2R2R Water on 11/14/2011 08:23:30 MST Print View

I think the house I got water at on the North Kaibab trail was the pump house residence. this seemed to be the place where the trail workers were staying while doing there multi day trail work.
there was a water spigot and a garden hose in the front yard.
roundtrip from this house to north rim is about 10.8 miles.
that should be max distance between water spots.

Mike M
(mtwarden) - MLife

Locale: Montana
training input needed on 11/14/2011 08:24:31 MST Print View

found this calculator and entered date/mileage and this is what it came up w/, is this in the ballpark on what a guy should be looking at?

http://www.scrunners.org/ultrasch.php?month=4&day=14&year=2012&dow=6&schedule=50m&submit=Draw+Schedule

Art ...
(asandh) - F
Re: training input needed on 11/14/2011 08:37:14 MST Print View

That final climb out of the canyon is a butt kicker.

Edited by asandh on 02/14/2012 08:36:53 MST.

ben wood
(benwood)

Locale: flatlands of MO
Re: Grand Canyon- Double Crossing aka "Rim-to-Rim-to-Rim"- BPL Group Run on 11/14/2011 09:01:46 MST Print View

seriously considering joining this group. I'd have to put in some serious training in the next 6 months. i am not an ultra runner, just a "regular" runner. I can lay down 20+miles of hiking with a weekend pack pretty comfortably, so i need to self-evaluate my abilities. If my fitness level, or lack thereof, seems like it would be a liability to the group I'd gracefully decline. I know there's always the possibility to turn back early, but....don't really want to be that guy.
I've hiked in canyon 3 times and know the real work is coming back out. One of those times was down south kaibab and up bright angel in a day, and it wasn't too bad, but the north rim would be new to me.

if so, i'd be flying into phoenix most likely, or could possibly fly to vegas. phoenix is definitely cheaper from KC. kinda sounds like either one would have a group coming through, right?

Edited by benwood on 11/14/2011 09:17:21 MST.

Craig W.
(xnomanx) - F - M
Training input needed on 11/14/2011 09:20:43 MST Print View

I've actually used that calculator to train for a 50K Mike. It got me to finish just fine. I never followed it exactly, but tailored it to my experience/time. But I think as a rough outline, it's a good start.

It seems to be a pretty standard buildup, typical of most programs I've used/looked at for distance (Jeff Galloway, Hal Higdon, Bob Glover, etc.). Roughly +10% volume per week, with a step back "rest" week every 3 or 4.

Most plans of this length assume you already have a base of at least 20-25 MPW. I've seen 50 mile plans with a more volume than this, starting at 35 MPW and peaking at 70-75 MPW, with longer long days. But I'd wager this is sufficient if you stick with it.

One thing it doesn't address is specificity. I'd certainly make sure to get in plenty of vertical on the Saturday and Sunday runs, as well as making the midweek "medium" run a "pace" day...either running it somewhat faster or getting in more hill climbing.
Conventional wisdom is to do your long days slow, and your medium days at a faster pace. One short day could be substituted for speed work or hill repeats...but most coaches I know argue that if you're new to running, speedwork/repeats might be a little stressful and you're better off just getting your body used to logging regular miles for a while first.

It's not really different from the way I have typically built up, though all my experience so far is mostly in the marathon to 40 mile range. I usually follow the same weekly schedule as in your link, only I vary the mileage a bit. I'll also make Monday a swimming day and mix in pushups, pullups, situps, etc. throughout the week. I've always kept 1 day for pure rest...for me it's Friday, usually the day before my longest runs.

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And then there's the other timeless training method:
Run, a lot, on terrain similar to what you want to race.

David Chenault
(DaveC) - BPL Staff - F

Locale: Crown of the Continent
Double Crossing on 11/14/2011 12:07:25 MST Print View

I'd very much like to make this work. Ths logistics, especially insofar as getting cheap flights, are a bit daunting. Will talk to some folks about that soon.

Mid-April is a good time. May is too hot.

Doing proper training up here will be tough. As important as uphill training is, downhill is perhaps even moreso. It's very easy to grenade your quads on all the big step downs.

This would be a good physical step-up to the Wilderness Open (which is in turn good prep for the Classic in AK, just got the Classic route this morning).

Mike M
(mtwarden) - MLife

Locale: Montana
Re: Training input needed on 11/14/2011 12:39:29 MST Print View

thanks gents- sounds like I have my work cut out for me :)


Mike

Craig W.
(xnomanx) - F - M
R2R2R on 11/15/2011 08:46:23 MST Print View

I'm going to start working on a set R2R2R 2012 beer steins for the finishers. Sorry, no belt buckles, I work in clay.

Art ...
(asandh) - F
Re: R2R2R on 11/15/2011 09:33:01 MST Print View

Trophies !!

now I will have to finish.

Eugene Smith
(Eugeneius) - MLife

Locale: Nuevo Mexico
steins!!! on 11/15/2011 09:44:09 MST Print View

Craig, will you be throwing these steins with your feet? I've seen your skills.

George Matthews
(gmatthews) - MLife
Re: steins!!! on 11/15/2011 11:47:01 MST Print View

now if that doesn't motivate you, then nothing will

fantastic!

George Matthews
(gmatthews) - MLife
Re: Re: april date on 11/15/2011 11:56:47 MST Print View

Good chance I will be able to be there then. However, I might try r2-somewhere-then back up depending on my training. One or both of my sons might meet up. They are both runners, but will not be able to do serious prep for the r2r2r. But still would be fun to run down and back - and run with BPL's mad wolf pack for a while at least.

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(dgowler)
Re: Grand Canyon, AZ- Double Crossing aka "Rim-to-Rim-to-Rim"- BPL Group Run on 11/15/2011 11:58:19 MST Print View

Gotta throw my name onto the list. Ive been on the look out for the next challenge to keep my ass off the couch for the winter and this fits perfectly. The date works for me, I'll be flying in from Canada so if anyone can spare a spot in their car I can do ass/grass/gas from which ever city works best/is the cheapest flight. I'll be keeping an eye on this thread. I'm psyched!

Craig W.
(xnomanx) - F - M
Re: Re: Grand Canyon, AZ- Double Crossing aka "Rim-to-Rim-to-Rim"- BPL Group Run on 11/15/2011 12:13:39 MST Print View

Now that this is generating some momentum, I'm getting excited.

I'm fortunate that I have a good mountain in my backyard: ~4,800 gain over about 9 miles up. Total, it's a nearly 20 mile RT with almost +/- 10,000 feet of elevation. Mirrors the Grand Canyon pretty well for training purposes.

If I could run it once per week and throw in some doubles on it...Maybe by April I'll have hooves and goat legs.

ben wood
(benwood)

Locale: flatlands of MO
Re: R2R2R on 11/15/2011 12:29:12 MST Print View

craig! woah man, now i might actually have to put forth some training. I'm not gonna pass up that stein opportunity!

in all realism, that's really cool man.

Mike M
(mtwarden) - MLife

Locale: Montana
water on 11/15/2011 12:30:11 MST Print View

found this on Andy's site- water and mileage chart

http://www.andrewskurka.com/assets/RACE/R2R2R/water-databook.pdf

great idea w/ the steins! :)

Gabe Joyes
(gabe_joyes) - F

Locale: Lander, WY
good times on 11/15/2011 13:42:16 MST Print View

I did this at the end of last April, it is a great trip. Good luck everybody and have a great trip. Let me know if I can be of assistance planning.

Thom Darrah
(thomdarrah) - MLife

Locale: Southern Oregon
Grand Canyon- Double Crossing aka "Rim-to-Rim-to-Rim"- BPL Group Run on 11/16/2011 19:48:48 MST Print View

When the list is final I might do a custom run of Defeet Aireator socks in grey with black R2R2R on the sides, could be fun.

Just something I'm thinking about, no promises.