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Ryan Jordan's new Gear List: Costs vs Encumberance
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Michael Skwarczek
(uberkatzen) - F

Locale: Sudamerica
Ryan Jordan's new Gear List: Costs vs Encumberance on 10/12/2011 12:16:44 MDT Print View

I'm really excited by Ryan Jordan's new gear list recommendations. But I'm wondering if we can all start providing Costs in addition to Weights in those lists. Of course, using the standard exchange rates: 1pp=5gp, 1gp=20sp, 1sp=10cp. I'm always stuck deciding between lots of equipment options, e.g. the Petzel e-Lite and a Hooded Lantern. I know that example is a no-brainer for most of you because you don't bother with encumberance either. And that's why the Costs would really be more helpful. Weights are cool to read and all, but, whatever. Right now, what's important, is that I'm down to copper pieces after stocking up on spell components; I had a crappy roll out of my 2d4x10gp


Eric Lundquist
(cobberman) - F - M

Locale: Northern Colorado
Re: Ryan Jordan's new Gear List: Costs vs Encumberance on 10/12/2011 12:32:09 MDT Print View

I think we all would benefit from a Bag of Holding. Weight/Encumberance problems solved.

Craig W.
(xnomanx) - F - M
Ryan Jordan's new Gear List: Costs vs Encumberance on 10/12/2011 14:00:44 MDT Print View

Blah...the Bag of Holding is the oldest trick in the book.

While they're certainly very cool, it's really a cheap plot device used by lazy DMs and uncreative players to avoid dealing with the inevitable impossible reality of:

Where the hell am I carrying 19 scrolls, 10 flasks of Holy Water, lockpicking tools, 2 Potions of Cure Lt. Wounds, a heavy crossbow, 4 torches, a bedroll, and a 1 gallon jug of mead? Let alone the bag of caltrops, a fine silk rope, and what could easily amount to 47 pounds of gold and silver coinage.

And how is it that all those potion bottles and flasks aren't destroyed every time you're bull-rushed by a Bugbear?


Good to hear from you Michael, happy travels.

Edited by xnomanx on 10/12/2011 14:02:36 MDT.

Miguel Arboleda
(butuki) - MLife

Locale: Kanto Plain, Japan
Re: Bags of Holding on 10/12/2011 18:27:12 MDT Print View

Ah, brings back wonderful memories of D & D! Used to be a DM back before computers were added to the mix. Had to draw and write everything by hand. Good to see the illustration quality has improved! I had bags of holding, to a certain extent, but provided rooms and chests where characters could keep the overflow of their gear. Sometimes those rooms or chests got raided or broken into!

Showing prices in gear lists would be fine, but for me not so necessary. I can look up most of the stuff on the internet, whereas the weights are better listed so you get more accuracy.

What I don't understand are gear lists that separate stuff you wear from stuff you carry. They're all weight, no matter where on your body they are... so why isn't everything listed on the gear lists?

Ryan Jordan
(ryan) - BPL Staff - MLife

Locale: Greater Yellowstone
Gear Carried vs. Worn on 10/12/2011 18:32:34 MDT Print View

Miguel, great comment, and I agree. Reformatting our gear lists is on my radar.

For clothes, I usually think of them in terms of three buckets:

- warm weather trekking clothes (trekking shirt, underwear, pants, socks, cap)
- storm clothes (wind shirt, rain jacket, rain pants, base layer shirt)
- camp / sleeping clothes (insulating jacket and pants, dry socks)

But even this is arbitrary.

Mary D
(hikinggranny) - MLife
Ryan Jordan's new Gear List: Costs vs Encumberance on 10/12/2011 18:44:37 MDT Print View

Miguel: "What I don't understand are gear lists that separate stuff you wear from stuff you carry."

I think that the distinction is primarily because most people want to compare pack weights rather than what they are wearing. It also lets some people exclude from pack weight items carried in pockets, allowing some fudging of numbers. It's inevitable, IMHO, when the weight comparison game becomes too competitive.

It's very true that the total weight carried by one's knees and feet includes clothes worn and those pocket contents (skin out weight). Also, if you want to analyze the total clothing system, you must include what's being worn! Of course if we scrap "base weight" of the pack in favor of something like "base skin-out weight," we could end up with lists designed for "Naked Hiker Day"!

As for me, I have never understood why cameras are never included in gear lists, even though the list authors illustrate their reports with pictures of their trip!

Michael Skwarczek
(uberkatzen) - F

Locale: Sudamerica
Suspenders of Disbelief on 10/12/2011 20:34:59 MDT Print View

Th crappy plot devices typically included some suspension of disbelief. It's an RPG fer christsake. Though we let go of the High Fantasy gaming around the time we stopped reading Poul Anderson.

Completely of topic (snicker): Should I include Josh Billings in my SUL gear list? I'm 4lbs carried and worn with that guy as a trail partner. He's something of a Bag of Holding meets a Deck of Many Things.

"his vorpal blade went snicker snack"

cheers, Craig. see you somewhere on the PCT next summer.

Steve Robinson
(Jeannie) - F
separate itemization on 10/12/2011 21:01:38 MDT Print View

Makes sense to me to have separate notation of worn vs. carried items totaled at the bottom. While it is all weigh on your knees and has to be hauled uphill, the weight of the items carried in the pack may effect the choice of pack in terms of structure/hip belt.

Derek Cox
(derekcox) - F

Locale: Southeast
Re: Gear Carried vs. Worn on 10/12/2011 23:16:54 MDT Print View

If we are going to nitpick about whether worn gear such as sunglasses, watch, and clothing worn while hiking should be counted in our total weight since it still must be supported by our legs and feet then I propose that hiker weight should also be included, as it must be carried by your feet as well. If you pack weight is 8 lbs, worn gear is another 3 lbs, and you weigh 150 lbs, then total weight is 161 lbs. SUL could be around 130 lbs maybe? Would be easier for women I suppose...

Terry Trimble
(socal-nomad) - F

Locale: North San Diego county
ryan jordans gear list on 10/13/2011 01:05:51 MDT Print View

I don't count the clothes I have on. Because you wear them anyways.
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