I think I would change out the slim-fitting support briefs. Is that the same as tighty-whiteys? : )

This is obviously a male gear list. We females need to substitute our own undies!

Thanks Ryan - the list strikes a nice balance of function, versatility, comfort and weight.

Where is Mike Clelland?

Ah, the ole "camera is journaling gear" or "camera is always being carried" routine where that weight has been transferred either off a gearlist (have seen on even some SUL lists) or transferred to carried weight.

If it's good enough for Ryan does this mean everyone can not count camera gear? SUL here I come!

"Where is Mike Clelland?"

Out buying a Jetboil.

I've seen a recent gear list of RJ's where the camera section said "Don't ask". :-)

If my camera collection included an M9 and Zeiss Biogon 35mm 2.8C I'd happily forget about SUL every time I went into the bush :-)

Great list, close to my set up, although for three days, I'd leave the stove at home and save the weight and hassle of cooking and enjoy the lighter load. YMMV.

" LMF Ti Spork?!? You could save whopping 8 g by switching to Spork Original!"

The original LMF spork is no good. Too easy to snap and it melts if you try to fry anything. The ti version is well worth it, although you'll probably use the fork end of it so rarely that just a ti spoon would be best.

"Do you think the Gossamer Gear LT4 poles are robust enough for winter camping and backcountry skiing?"

No, you'll snap an LT4 backcountry skiing. My wife has broken 2 LT4's while hiking and I've broken one. All breaks occurred while falling on / sorta on the poles while hiking. They're fine for use while normal hiking, but you could break one easily if you crashed while skiing or if you just relied on one too hard. They're great poles, they just don't take much abuse and generally in the winter in the backcountry you don't want key pieces of gear like poles to be too fragile.

I'd add two pairs of nylon liner socks if you want to avoid blisters, though, and Thorlow hiking socks with good padding.
A plastic spoon from McDonalds works fine, too.
Cell phone is a must now days, too, preferably one with a radio for weather reports.
For older hikers:
The pad sleeps much better if it is a neo-air or a D.A.M air mattress from Warmlite.com, I'd wager. And nothing beats a nice roomy Tarptent.com to stay completely dry and comfortable on the trail in a sudden rain storm. That takes the weight up a couple of pounds, three actually, but the safety is sweet joy after a good night's sleep.

I've used the Gossamer gear trekking poles for 1000 miles of the AT, and no problems. They're great and they've saved me from many a fall. Tie them together and the bus and air lines will let you take them on board for free.

And there's nothing like Mountain House dried meals, too.

on first inspection, I miss a base-plate, magnetic compass to be able to work with the map. Also because I wouldn't like to rely exclusively on electronics for something so sensible, not even for a short trip.

I'd also miss clean sleeping clothes; at a minimum, socks and pants. I wouldn't want to expose the bag's shell to skin, not even clean skin, and the hiking socks and pants are bound to be too dirty for the task.

Someone else already mentioned but I stress: some kind of towel is very important. I use a kitchen wipe at less than an ounce. It's much more than a convenience item, with the particularly important mission of wiping shelter inner walls when condensation happens. In general, to wipe any excess wetness to speed up the drying for things you want to keep as dry as possible.

Finally, I'd miss some packing stuff: little packing for little items like sunglasses, tarp, stakes, small essentials, maps or food items. Some of these may be not carried at all, some might be not counted because their weight is small... if the list is focused on functionality, that's fine but if precise weight measures are the goal, they do add up enough to make the list.

Edited by inaki on 10/13/2011 08:06:10 MDT.

The Rock sack from the bear bag system can double as a stake sack.
The bearbag system had storage for food. I stick the map and sunglasses in my pants pocket or backpack pocket

Edited by Tjaard on 10/13/2011 10:23:54 MDT.

I never thought of using my stake sac as a rock sac...DUH... I still have to loose a few oz to make up for my Exped Synmat. Since I hike in the southeast my 3 season shelter includes bug mesh- I have a Zpacks Heximid Solo on order now for my next trip. It should weigh around 9oz with the bug mesh and the extended beak. I use the Esbitt Wing stove with the firelite 550 on weekend trips. On longer trips I too have gone to the dark side and take my Jetboil Ti.. I really like this list.

The little bag for my stakes weighs less than 0.1 ounce so doesn't even register on my scale. Anyway, I weighed the stakes in the bag! The same is true for small items in tiny plastic bags such as pills--they get weighed with the bag. Note that Ryan's list lumps all his first aid items together, although I'm sure he analyzes them separately.

Ryan's waterproof maps don't need a plastic bag. However, I've found that waterproof paper maps are heavier than putting normal paper maps inside a gallon ziplock bag. The paper maps plus plastic bag fold a lot smaller, too. In that case, lower tech is lighter! I just make sure (before leaving my shelter in the mornings) that the map portion I need for the day can be read through the plastic bag.

After a detailed comparison with my own list, I was pleased to note that if I subtract from my base weight my camera and the additional weight (over what's on Ryan's list for the same items) of sleeping bag, clothing, pad and Ursack that I need because I'm an old lady with arthritic joints who gets COLD easily, I end up with a base weight very close to Ryan's. That makes me feel better!

You really don't need a stuff sack for your sleeping bag, just put it in the bottom of your pack, then the other stuff on top. It'll also take up the slack if you don't have allot of other bulky stuff going in.

Sleep socks. Something warmer than a half sock. If your feet get cold, your just gonna get cold all over.

Some kind of very minimal light. Who needs a headlamp anyway? Most are too heavy.

I like the Rail Riders Ultralight Boxer Briefs. Never used them, but they look good. I get Everlast compressions shorts from Big5. They look pretty similar and can be had for $9.99 on sale. Way better than the REI stuff I've tried in the past.

Spork? Really? They are a genuine pain in the arsky to eat with. And for me, FBC is all I need for hot food and a long-handled Ti spoon works to get all the bits out of the bag and keep my hand fairly clean as well.

Though the new Jetboil is lighter, it's still too heavy. I can carry a cone with Esbit stove and enough fuel for five days and my setup is under seven ounces all out. That's lighter than the Jetboil alone, nevermind the heavy canister.

thank you!

Weekend lists...

/facepalm

Those are heavy pants, and not particularly warm. Are they for bushwhacking? My combo of Marmot PowerDry leggings (150 g) and sturdy windpants (90 g) is more versatile, warmer, and weighs less (240 g). Also, merino wool is a matter of personal choice, but it is not as warm as synthetics of similar weight. I have a full-zip hoody made of a PowerDry-like fabric that weighs the same as a merino long-sleeve top but is warmer and more versatile. With that, the full-size down jacket now becomes overkill, and a down vest (170 g) can replace the down jacket on this list. I've just cut 200 g off the list shown while achieving the same effect.

Raingear in this list is quite heavy (~400 g). I have a Roger Caffin-style mountain poncho that comes almost to the knee at 200 g. Chaps weigh another 60-70 g.

Where I'd personally add weight is in the sleeping pad department. Take chaps instead of rain pants and "spend" the extra 100 g or more on a second pad... it's well worth it!:) Invest 100 g shaved off the down jacket in 100 g more down to get the next bag up in the Katabatic product line.

Bravo for leaving the cell phone, mp3 player, and camera home :)) If not, there are now options to combine all of those in a 400 g package: iPhone + Solio charger. With this set you can drop the paper maps and use maps on the iPhone.

Just some ideas on how I would tweak this list to fit my individual preferences and style.

Curious, but why a wind shirt/hoody AND a light-weight rain jacket? Better breathability? If hiking and know I'll be in a deluge, I may go with a heavier rain shell and thus carry a wind shirt too, but usually my rain jacket doubles as my wind protection.