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do it with karo baffles, then just leave a hole someplace put all the down in and move it around, no need to measure for tiny baffle size of sew with down in it. Just use a smaller grid like 8/4 or 8/5 or you could get really tight with like a 6/3 or 6/4 but the smaller the grid the harder to move down around. I haven't done this yet but am planning to make a jacket this way.
-Tim
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