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.380 on a ultralight backpacking/camping trip?
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Matthew Black
(mtblack) - F
Re: .380 on a ultralight backpacking/camping trip? on 09/19/2011 20:37:27 MDT Print View

I can't think of a .380 that weighs 14oz loaded. Quite frankly I would not enjoy maintaining the level of paranoia and readiness required to make use of it on the trail against human beings and think it would be of more use for ending your suffering than the bear in case of an animal attack.

Mike M
(mtwarden) - MLife

Locale: Montana
to Dale on 09/19/2011 20:42:42 MDT Print View

I read it as more like this



Dale Wambaugh
(dwambaugh) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest
Re: to Dale on 09/19/2011 21:49:52 MDT Print View

ROTFLMAO!!!!


ANDY!!!!! There's a BEAR!!!!

These, "I'm going to pack this to protect myself from bears" threads come up in outdoor forums all over. My conclusion is that if the OP is lucky, the bear will laugh itself silly, giving an opportunity for escape.

My wife and I were on a hike yesterday and I was telling her about the guy who had a spear to protect himself from bears. Same answer.

When we were newlyweds I was sorting out all our camping gear I came across her old aluminum cook kit and it had some odd dents in it. I asked her how that happened and she told of the bear on the Olympic National Park beaches who inspected her pack and chewed on the cook kit for a bit. I asked her what she did, and she said she watched from a LONG way off until the bear left. Good choice :)

Edited by dwambaugh on 09/19/2011 21:57:56 MDT.

Ryan Smith
(ViolentGreen) - F

Locale: Southeast
Re: Re: .380 on a ultralight backpacking/camping trip? on 09/19/2011 22:14:12 MDT Print View

"I can't think of a .380 that weighs 14oz loaded."

A Ruger LCP or Kel-tec loaded with 7 rounds of .380 ACP comes in at 11-12oz. A Kel-tec PF9, which also would not take down a good size bear, comes in at 18oz loaded.

Ryan

Edited by ViolentGreen on 09/19/2011 22:17:21 MDT.

Mark Ries
(mtmnmark) - M

Locale: IOWAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!
C razies on 09/19/2011 22:22:24 MDT Print View

I never hurt anyone but being a crazy myself I would feel better if you left it at home. Bear spray has excellent results on me

Joseph Reeves
(Umnak)

Locale: Southeast Alaska
Re: Admiralty Island on 09/19/2011 22:39:11 MDT Print View

Well, I am sorry that your experience was so uneventful, though disappointed that your level of activity at Young Lake and Admiralty Cove was so boisterous as to scare away any sign of bears for three months. I can't think of a time when we've not seen a bear on Admiralty. I'm sure you know that the trail crew at the Tram from Seymour Canal to Oliver's Inlet had a different experience in 2010 and were forced to kill a brown bear that continued to attack them.

I'd rather not carry the shotgun because it is heavy, as is the ditch bag attached to my PFD -- not to mention the PFD. Still, I carry them because it increases my margin of safety.

I don't know what a G17 is, so I'll have to be excused from your attempt at humor or ridicule.

Edited by Umnak on 09/19/2011 22:54:43 MDT.

Jeff McConnell
(Catalyst) - F
if every ounce matters... on 09/19/2011 23:13:57 MDT Print View

If every ounce matters I'd carry bear spray. Will work better against the bear and I'd feel more comfortable using it on a crazy person. Spray either with it and they'll leave you alone.

William Zila
(Ultralightwillinn.m) - MLife

Locale: Albuquerque
why bring a gun ? on 09/19/2011 23:28:59 MDT Print View

as a avid hunter i can personally tell you that evan if you were packing a gun with sufficient firepower to stop a bear "which would be totally un ul" very few people would be able to maintain the mental clarity to react fast enough to stop anything. Almost all bear charges where a firearm is involved the animal is not Evan wounded it is the sound that scares it off. So if your a military/ law enforcement officer who has trained countless hours to be able to react and react well in the given time frame of a bear charge and you are hiking in a area with rabid zombie bears sure but if not just bring some bear spray know how to use it and be smart

Steve O
(HechoEnDetroit) - F

Locale: South Kak
Chuck Testa on 09/20/2011 00:28:27 MDT Print View

I'd say that you should go with the one that shoots and fits your hand better. Bring bear spray and bourbon too!

Justin Baker
(justin_baker) - F

Locale: Santa Rosa, CA
Re: Chuck Testa on 09/20/2011 01:07:11 MDT Print View

*pumps shotgun*
"It's coming right for us!!!!"
"Nope. Chuck Testa."

Chris Morgan
(ChrisMorgan) - F

Locale: Southern Oregon
Re: Re: Chuck Testa on 09/20/2011 01:12:14 MDT Print View

ಠ_ಠ

Michael Crosby
(djjmikie) - MLife

Locale: Ky
Chuck Testa on 09/20/2011 06:11:15 MDT Print View

Chuck Testa

Edited by djjmikie on 09/20/2011 06:14:11 MDT.

Bob Bankhead
(wandering_bob) - MLife

Locale: Oregon, USA
Re: Re: Admiralty Island on 09/20/2011 09:50:40 MDT Print View

Joseph:

I believe that "G 17" refers to the Model 17 standard (aka full-size) 9 mm semi-automatic pistol made by Glock. http://www.glock.com/english/index_pistols.htm

Assuming one can hit them, it works well on people and small game, but will only get a bear's undivided attention directed your way. Why would you want to get a bear's undivided attention?

It is widely believed by those who should know that if you shoot a black bear (but don't kill it immediately), the odds are about 50/50 that it will charge rather than run away. With a grizzly, that's an open invitation to, and a virtual 100% guarentee of, a charge, and he'll keep coming until one of you is dead.


As has very wisely been suggested by another poster, if you are fearful of people and/or bears where you're hiking, consider hiking somewhere else. The best way to avoid trouble is to be someplace else when it appears. Another poster correctly mentioned that bear spray will also discourage/disable a human attacker, allowing you to get away.

If you MUST carry a firearm for your peace of mind, be SURE you know your duties under the laws regarding both the use of deadly force and what constitutes brandishing. If you do use deadly force against someone, you'll have to convince a jury that you met all of those requirements before you fired and that under the same conditions, EACH ONE of them would have done the same thing.

joseph peterson
(sparky) - F

Locale: Southern California
.380 on a ultralight backpacking/camping trip? on 09/20/2011 12:55:55 MDT Print View

No amount of common sense will prevail when fear, one of the most powerful emotions is involved. He's afraid without it....

Carry a gun, just don't go all Dick Cheney on anyone.

Travis Leanna
(T.L.) - MLife

Locale: Wisconsin
Chuck testa and bazookas on 09/20/2011 14:31:31 MDT Print View

LOL at Chuck Testa!

Yes, as John mentioned earlier, an ultralight bazooka is the only way to go... though I was considering hiring an Apache helicopter and crew to shadow my every move in the backcountry and maybe run scouting missions or launch preemptive strikes against the bears...

joseph peterson
(sparky) - F

Locale: Southern California
.380 on a ultralight backpacking/camping trip? on 09/20/2011 14:59:33 MDT Print View

Another alternative in an impenatrable bullet proof bubble....much like a human sized hamster ball. You can be safe from anything, hell you could probably roll right off a cliff.

Fred Thorp
(BFThorp) - F
Predictions? on 09/20/2011 16:08:25 MDT Print View

@ Bob

"The best way to avoid trouble is to be someplace else when it appears."

This is good in theory, practically 100% success rate, on paper.


To the OP
.380... I don't have a use for.

Edited by BFThorp on 09/20/2011 16:09:33 MDT.

Jesse Glover
(hellbillylarry) - F

Locale: southern appalachians
.380 on 09/20/2011 16:53:34 MDT Print View

My suggestion is to leave the gun at home but if you feel you need it go with the lighter one.

Look, if you guys don't like guns stay out of the dude's thread. These threads always turn into some political debate about guns and how the people that need guns are scared and parniod. And the people who don't like guns are scared and paranoid.

I love guns. I have several. Including a .40 glock and a 1956 Remington 870 12ga. I personally wouldn't carry a handgun into the backcountry but I won't fault someone who does. If someone feels more comfortable carrying a gun that is their prerogative.

A handgun may not stop a bear but it will surely stop a meth head. I feel I can handle myself against said meth head but I can't speak for anyone else.

Mike M
(mtwarden) - MLife

Locale: Montana
Re: .380 on 09/20/2011 17:10:38 MDT Print View

curious who you have pegged who doesn't "like" guns? I don't "love" guns, but I do make a living carrying them. When someone's first (and only) post is "should I pack my .380 to keep away bears and the boogeyman" -sorry but I have to think troll.

Lyan Jordan
(redmonk)

Locale: Greater Yellowstone Ecosystem
.380 on a ultralight backpacking/camping trip? on 09/20/2011 17:14:50 MDT Print View

If someone is going to bring a gun, they should be intelligent enough to bring enough of a gun to do the job.

Bringing a gun that is insufficient for dealing with bear is false security.

Might as well bring a huge teddy bear, and convince yourself it is a decoy to keep the bears from noticing your camp. Most nights it will work perfectly !

Edited by redmonk on 09/20/2011 17:17:28 MDT.