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Luke Schmidt
(Cameron) - MLife

Locale: The WOODS
Re hole-y on 02/20/2013 15:48:06 MST Print View

I want them take one of those small 5 shot .357 revolvers and convert it into a 4 shot .44 magnum! Yes I know how hard that would kick.

On a more serious note I just thought of another upside to bear spray. I've heard plenty of stories of people who hesitated to shoot a gun during a bear attack because they were afraid of hitting the victim. With bear spray you can just spray away.

Roger Dodger
(RogerDodger) - F

Locale: Wess Siide
Re: Re hole-y on 02/20/2013 16:03:05 MST Print View

Spray doesn't work:
1) when it's windy
2) when victim is inside the tent, attacking bear/wolves/serial killer outside
3) when wolf is already biting your jugular artery or attacker penetrating your privates

Gun doesn't work:
1) when you didn't buy one.
2) when you own one but left it at home.
3) when you own one but not trained to use it.

Ian B.
(IDBLOOM) - MLife

Locale: PNW
Re: Solo Wilderness Security on 02/20/2013 16:41:11 MST Print View

nm

Edited by IDBLOOM on 02/21/2013 07:12:04 MST.

d k
(dkramalc) - MLife
Re: @ D K on 02/20/2013 17:05:00 MST Print View

Thanks, Dena - also found links to a 2010 article on a man who was killed by wolves outside a village on the Alaska peninsula, very enlightening.

HK Newman
(hknewman) - MLife

Locale: Western US
Re: Re: Re hole-y on 02/20/2013 17:15:18 MST Print View

Spray doesn't work:
1) when it's windy
2) when victim is inside the tent, attacking bear/wolves/serial killer outside
3) when wolf is already biting your jugular artery or attacker penetrating your privates

Gun doesn't work:
1) when you didn't buy one.
2) when you own one but left it at home.
3) when you own one but not trained to use it.


So far none of my trips to the 4 corners states or California in the past 25 years have involved a wilderness reenactment of "Custer's Last Stand" with assorted growling beasties surrounding my tent and being held at bay by a spork (or by the smell of my hiking socks).

Maybe Anaheim is different, though. :-)

Think it's easy to overblow the danger or demonize others. If in the arctic, having valuables, or walking in a high crime area, then an appropriate firearm may be wise in a solo situation ..or not.

Reminds me of that movie Jumanji ...

Jumanji

ed: cell phone fat fingers

Edited by hknewman on 02/20/2013 18:59:18 MST.

Tom Kirchner
(ouzel) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest/Sierra
Re: Re: Mutual Arisings on 02/20/2013 17:50:01 MST Print View

"BTW I'm a huge Gandhi fan."

The mention of Ghandhi in the context of this thread brings to mind an observation he once made when asked what he thought about Western civilization. He replied that he thought it would be a good idea.

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Re: Re: Mutual Arisings on 02/20/2013 17:56:01 MST Print View

"The mention of Ghandhi in the context of this thread brings to mind an observation he once made when asked what he thought about Western civilization. He replied that he thought it would be a good idea."

Ghandi never quite made it as a headliner in Vegas.

--B.G.--

Roger Dodger
(RogerDodger) - F

Locale: Wess Siide
[..] on 02/20/2013 18:29:06 MST Print View

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Edited by RogerDodger on 05/08/2014 00:58:29 MDT.

jeffrey armbruster
(book) - M

Locale: Northern California
solo wilderness insanity on 02/20/2013 19:09:04 MST Print View

edit

Edited by book on 02/20/2013 19:11:30 MST.

Eric Blumensaadt
(Danepacker) - MLife

Locale: Mojave Desert
Titanium .44 mag revolver... on 02/21/2013 00:02:18 MST Print View

... with a 4 inch barrel.

S&W or Tarus

Nuff sed.

Ian B.
(IDBLOOM) - MLife

Locale: PNW
Re: Re: Re: Re: Mutual Arisings on 02/21/2013 00:03:26 MST Print View

"The mention of Ghandhi in the context of this thread brings to mind an observation he once made when asked what he thought about Western civilization. He replied that he thought it would be a good idea."

So true Tom!

Edited by IDBLOOM on 02/21/2013 00:26:43 MST.

Ian B.
(IDBLOOM) - MLife

Locale: PNW
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Mutual Arisings on 02/21/2013 00:08:10 MST Print View

"For how I like to live my life... Die with your boots on with dignity, is far better than dying as an old man wearing a turban diaper."

Such bravado! Well done sir!

JK! I prefer "Madame, tomorrow I'll be sober but you'll still be ugly!" but as you said you do you I do me.

Nothing wrong with Churchill but I've hit a point in my life where babysitting adults who do not know how to behave is becoming tiring so I found the peaceful ways of Gandhi to be very inspiring in an otherwise ugly world.

Take care.

Edited by IDBLOOM on 02/21/2013 00:17:53 MST.

Paul Mountford
(Sparticus) - MLife

Locale: Atlantic Canada
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Mutual Arisings on 02/21/2013 00:38:54 MST Print View

"I have no respect for Ghandi or passive resistance (aka passive victim) ...
I'm a huge Winston Churchill fan."

Another quote attributed to Churchill that is pertinent to this thread:

“A gentleman rarely needs a pistol, but when he does he needs it very very badly.”

Ghandi’s method of passive resistance did manage to pluck the last jewel of the British Empire and probably deserves a little respect; however, I'm with you in that Churchill's world view more accurately reflects its state today.

Ian B.
(IDBLOOM) - MLife

Locale: PNW
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Mutual Arisings on 02/21/2013 06:48:22 MST Print View

Churchill is certainly a man for the real world. No doubt about that.

Tom Kirchner
(ouzel) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest/Sierra
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Mutual Arisings on 02/21/2013 18:02:04 MST Print View

"For how I like to live my life... Die with your boots on with dignity, is far better than dying as an old man wearing a turban diaper."

He who prefers to die with his boots on will likely get his wish, and soon be forgotten. Gahdhi on the other hand, while he died violently for an ideal, lived to a ripe old age and to this day is venerated by countless hundreds of millions, if not in the billions, of people inspired by his appeal to us to listen to our better angels. Among others, he was a guiding light for MLK. Enough said.

I hope you do not get your wish, just to be clear.

Roger Dodger
(RogerDodger) - F

Locale: Wess Siide
[..] on 02/21/2013 19:12:05 MST Print View

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Edited by RogerDodger on 09/25/2014 23:49:52 MDT.

Lyan Jordan
(redmonk)

Locale: Greater Yellowstone Ecosystem
Solo Wilderness Security on 02/21/2013 19:17:01 MST Print View

If you haven't demonstrated and been arrested, you *are* living on your knees.

jerry adams
(retiredjerry) - MLife

Locale: Oregon and Washington
Re: Mutual Arisings on 02/21/2013 19:23:10 MST Print View

but your comment "wearing a turban diaper" is just gratuitous bigotry

it's okay to argue whether peaceful or armed resistance is more effective. You can find examples of peaceful resistance being effective like Ghandi, Mandella, or MLK. On the other hand, the U.S. was more formed by armed resistance.

You can find many examples of armed resistance not being so effective like Syria right now. Or our civil war - maybe we would be better off today split into two countries.

Craig W.
(xnomanx) - F - M
Mutual Arisings on 02/21/2013 19:23:40 MST Print View

Roger Dodger, I'm beginning to fear you're actually serious about all this.

Tom Kirchner
(ouzel) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest/Sierra
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Mutual Arisings on 02/21/2013 20:29:17 MST Print View

"For some, living a long life but on their knees, is acceptable.

My point is that Ghandi was a domesticated mule. That is not the life for me."

It is evident that you understand very little about the life of Gandhi. In fact, he raised an enslaved nation from its knees by the moral force of passive resistance while the British were dying with their boots on by the millions. When they had finished their dying, they no longer had the psychological, or even military, wherewithal to resist that moral force, and India became a free nation.

But you are surely right about one thing: that is not the life for you. Fight on, then, but against who? And for what?

Edited for content.

Edited by ouzel on 02/21/2013 20:30:03 MST.