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USA Duane Hall
(hikerduane) - F

Locale: Extreme northern Sierra Nevada
Old stove? on 08/16/2011 18:22:41 MDT Print View

Anyone have an old stove they used to use or still use on occasion? Just curious what you have evolved to using if any change at all. I collect older bp/camping stoves so wondering what is still out there.

Duane

Ken Thompson
(kthompson) - MLife
Re: Old stove? on 08/16/2011 19:23:13 MDT Print View

Did I start something selling you that old Svea and Sigg Tourist cookset?
I still use a Svea 123 and an Optimus 99 on occasion.

USA Duane Hall
(hikerduane) - F

Locale: Extreme northern Sierra Nevada
Send more money! on 08/16/2011 20:05:55 MDT Print View

Yes you did. Send a few hundred to me. Money that is. I'm up to 50 stoves now, some oldies too, MSR with Coleman, Prentiss Wabers stoves from the 20's or so. It pays to dig around a little, just looking to get old stoves back into action on a limited basis. Hoping to get or see some more of the early bp/camping/mountaineering stoves and the pumps if they required them. I have three different 123's now, two early ones that are of different ages and a newer used "R" which works the worst of the lot.

Duane

larry savage
(pyeyo) - F

Locale: pacific northwest
flying out of a tent on 08/25/2011 14:44:07 MDT Print View

The last Svea 123 I saw was flying out of a tent flap at Camp 4, to hot to dig in the garage attic for you but I'll take a look when the evenings cool down, you need to collect old fuel bottles too, the stuff before Sigg showed always provided some seasoning to everything in your pack.
I know I have a couple of pump retrofits for Optimus up there.

Edited by pyeyo on 08/25/2011 14:45:35 MDT.

USA Duane Hall
(hikerduane) - F

Locale: Extreme northern Sierra Nevada
Enough 123's on 08/25/2011 17:58:31 MDT Print View

Larry, I have enough 123's. Looking for vintage MSR and their prototype stoves, along with a white pump. Optimus did make the external pump for the 8R and other small stoves.

Duane

Hammock Hanger
(HammockHanger) - F
123 Nostalgia on 08/25/2011 21:47:35 MDT Print View

I still have my first stove ever, a 1973 Svea 123 ordered from LL Bean back when they were a serious source for camping gear. Sooty and prone to fouling even when new but I am fond of it still. This thread makes me want to go dig it out of the back of the closet.

USA Duane Hall
(hikerduane) - F

Locale: Extreme northern Sierra Nevada
Used my 123 a few times on 08/25/2011 22:20:21 MDT Print View

I have three Svea 123's. A early model that has the spindle pointed down and has no rings/ribs on the vaporizer, whereas the second one I have, has those rings. The third has the spindle horizontal and is of the newer style, but still vintage, actually a 123R, also because it has the cleaning needle that clears the jet/nipple by turning the spindle all the way to the left. Would love to pick up a prototype MSR stove from the '70's. Have I mentioned I started collecting stoves recently?:)

Duane

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: 123 Nostalgia on 08/25/2011 22:26:52 MDT Print View

A friend brought along his Svea 123 with a mini-pump and was going to start it up. First, he pumped it a time or two, primed it with a couple of drops of fuel, then lit it. It died out. Then he pumped it several times and primed it with a good squirt of fuel, then lit it. It died out. Then he pumped it a lot and primed it with a couple of spoons of fuel, then lit it. It started up, overheated the safety valve in the mini-pump, and then we had something that looked like a Saturn V rocket launch. The pressurized flame was shooting out diagonally, and another flame was shooting up past the top plate. The friend didn't quite know what to do since we had no water or anything to smother it with. So, I just kicked it over into the sand and gravel, and it was extinguished in no time. Needless to say, we got our excitement on that trip, but the Svea 123 was never seen again. As it turned out, probably all he had to do was to replace the cap with the safety valve.

--B.G.--

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Used my 123 a few times on 08/25/2011 22:29:27 MDT Print View

"Would love to pick up a prototype MSR stove from the '70's."

I think that would have to be from the early 1970s. By the late 1970s, Model G was well established. Maybe GK also. My garage is still littered with their bones.

--B.G.--

Martha S.
(kitfox) - F
I have one of these... on 08/25/2011 22:46:26 MDT Print View

stove

...it was a great little stove in its day -- wish I could find canisters for it.

Hikin' Jim
(hikin_jim)

Locale: Los Angeles, CA, USA
Re: I have one of these... on 08/25/2011 23:41:58 MDT Print View

Nice photo, Martha. ;)

Yes, those are nice stoves. I just had mine out on Wednesday. They don't make the canisters anymore, but I have occasionally seen the old canisters in "mom & pop" surplus stores and the like.

You can also run them with a modern canister if you can find someone who can make an adapter.

HJ

James Marco
(jamesdmarco) - MLife

Locale: Finger Lakes
"Old stove?" on 08/26/2011 03:27:09 MDT Print View

I still use the SVEA 123R. It works every time. I note that I did have a problem with the saftey valve when I ran out of white gas and used acetone, instead. The safety valve popped after boiling water and would not re-seal. I tapped it on a rock several times and all sorts of grit and rust came out. It started working again.

USA Duane Hall
(hikerduane) - F

Locale: Extreme northern Sierra Nevada
Good cleaning on 08/26/2011 06:55:15 MDT Print View

Bob, that stove probable needed a good cleaning, sounds like a few things and I just got a few of these the last year. Carbon in the vaporizer part, stove ran out of fuel a few times and burned the wick inside the tank so the wick would not perform properly and with the pump pressurizing the tank, over pressurized it and caused the safety valve in the cap to do its job. Be sure and keep the cap pointed at someone besides oneself.:)
HJ can help with info on the Roberts stove.

I have all the "X" line of MSR stoves except a few of the newer versions which I'm fine without. The newest is the X-GK II with the shaker jet that has seen a few miles I picked up. I'm waiting for a few stoves or stove pieces from a climbing friend (mtnsteve) to get some stoves with Everest experience to me. Not sure what he has.

Duane

Martha S.
(kitfox) - F
Caught! on 08/26/2011 10:43:34 MDT Print View

Thanks for the compliment, Jim.

Oh, and the photo too, btw! ;-) But seriously, why try to improve on perfection?!

Hikin' Jim
(hikin_jim)

Locale: Los Angeles, CA, USA
Re: Caught! on 08/26/2011 14:26:11 MDT Print View

lol

Rick Dreher
(halfturbo) - MLife

Locale: Northernish California
Re: Old stove? on 08/26/2011 14:32:57 MDT Print View

Still have my Optimus 8R. $11 at REI. Svea wasn't "manly" enough for some reason, and I instead went for the hearty steel box and internal cleaning needle. I confess it never once failed me and importantly, I never had the Optimus/Svea flamethrower (which has to be seen to be appreciated) with the 8R. Have a rebuild kit somewhere, too. Collectible!

FWIW at that time the more mountaineering types tended to use larger kerosene burners converted to white gas. Better for melting snow and cooking for groups. I think that's why the MSR stove came about, because that was a lot of brass to haul up this or that mountain.

Cheers,

Rick

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Re: Old stove? on 08/26/2011 15:48:28 MDT Print View

"Collectible!"

You are such an old stovie that you probably have collected issues of the Mountain Safety Research newsletter.

For the old stoves, all I got was a Taiwan-knockoff of an Optimus box stove. Real quickly, the MSR Model G and GK were purchased. At one time, I think I managed a fleet of six of them. One or two would be coming in from the last trip, one or two were being fueled and checked out for the next trip, at at least one was being cannibalized for spare parts.

--B.G.--

Rick Dreher
(halfturbo) - MLife

Locale: Northernish California
Re: Old stove? on 08/26/2011 16:23:47 MDT Print View

You're scaring me here, Bob. :-) I don't have the collection but I have at least one MSR newsletter stashed somewhere. IIRC it includes a rant against the NPS burning down all the backcountry shelters.

The Thunderbird axe lives! (Nope, don't have one but who didn't like orange?)

Cheers,

Rick

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Re: Old stove? on 08/26/2011 16:38:32 MDT Print View

An old friend of mine had a subscription to the MSR newsletter and had a stack of them. He loaned them to me for reading even though they were probably ten years old at the time.

--B.G.--

USA Duane Hall
(hikerduane) - F

Locale: Extreme northern Sierra Nevada
Got a bunch on 08/26/2011 20:36:05 MDT Print View

I have a dozen or more vintage MSR stoves, and 6-7 yeller pumps, two need parts for two of the pumps. I still would like to get a white pump. I have a bunch of different stoves, the brass kerosene ones used mostly in Europe for indoor cooking, some small enough for brewing up tea for lunch, a few Coleman type suitcase stoves and some of the small cased ones like the 8R and 111's. Summer is the time for me to gather them and winter to work on them when I can't do anything outside.

Duane

Hikin' Jim
(hikin_jim)

Locale: Los Angeles, CA, USA
Thunderbird Ice Axe on 08/26/2011 20:45:08 MDT Print View

I've still got my T-Bird. Nice axe, really (albeit a tad on the heavy side). Don't wear light colored gloves; they'll be orange by the end of the day.

HJ

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Ice Axe on 08/26/2011 21:07:51 MDT Print View

Instead of a metal shaft, I still have my first ice axe with a wooden shaft. Oddly enough, even after all of these decades, there is no trace of wood rot, weakening, or looseness.

Let's see, we had early MSR and Optimus stoves. We had Goldline rope. Heavy leather boots.

--B.G.--

USA Duane Hall
(hikerduane) - F

Locale: Extreme northern Sierra Nevada
MSR newsletter on 09/04/2011 19:19:43 MDT Print View

Bob, can you get ahold of the MSR newsletters? I know a few of us stove collectors would love to check out those newsletters if they are no longer wanted and I could get them. It might help with the dating of some of the models and changes.
Duane

USA Duane Hall
(hikerduane) - F

Locale: Extreme northern Sierra Nevada
Old stove bump on 09/29/2011 11:21:52 MDT Print View

I would love to get any old literature or instructions on the old stoves also. Especially the MSR lineup. At a recent stovie meetup in Oregon, an avid stove collector showed all of the old MSR stove lineup to us. I mentioned I knew someone who had some newsletters. Bob, can you get ahold of any still? More than willing to make it worth your while to mail them to me. I just picked up an old Optimus embossed model 8. Great shape, just need to check out the pump cup and cap gasket.
Duane

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: MSR newsletter on 09/29/2011 13:14:43 MDT Print View

I don't think that it is practical to try to reproduce the ones that I have.

--B.G.--

Elliott Wolin
(ewolin) - MLife

Locale: Hampton Roads, Virginia
RE: Old stove on 09/29/2011 14:23:23 MDT Print View

I still have my Svea 123 purchased in the early 1970's and last I tried it worked perfectly, even with who knows how old gas in it.

I use my Optimus 111B with some regularity. It is heavy but it's like a blowtorch. You may recall it was the standard winter stove when you needed to melt lots of snow for water.

Last summer I took the 111B kayak camping with six people, a very large and tall pot, and two dozen ears of corn. It got the big pot boiling and we cooked lots of fresh corn. We also cooked a zillion eggs and bacon for six in a large frypan (cast iron?), as well as lots of other non-UL meals (one benefit of kayak camping with Boy Scouts).

It starts first time, every time, and roars. I recall the roaring sound was very comforting years ago on winter trips in the Adirondacks when it was 20 degrees below zero F.

Erik Basil
(EBasil) - M

Locale: Atzlan
You guys are really old on 09/29/2011 15:31:18 MDT Print View

Not too long ago, I pulled out my Stansport knock-off of an Optimus stove and showed the boys that it still worked great, not counting how you have to light it and how much fuel it uses to boil a few quarts of water in the small iterations you get using the pot/case to boil with. It reminded me what a massive difference my yellow-pump MSR XGK was and why I kept on using it over the years.

Until, that is, I bought an Optimus Crux. Now, my 50 year old Coleman 2-burner sees more action than the old XGK does. My Crux and cookset weight less than the stove head on the XGK, long before I even get to the Sigg bottle.

USA Duane Hall
(hikerduane) - F

Locale: Extreme northern Sierra Nevada
Bunch of 111's too on 09/29/2011 17:50:06 MDT Print View

I have one 111B and three 111T's or similar. Even have a new alky jet and restrictor for my themed 111T, painted black with orange flame cut outs on the sides and a mud flap lady sillouette inside and a H-D sticker on the top of the case. I need to fettle the 111B as I just got it and replace a jet in a embossed 111 I picked up last winter. I really like the little 8R's, sweet running.
Bob, I was thinking maybe you no longer needed those MSR newsletters. If you are keeping them, no worry.

USA Duane Hall
(hikerduane) - F

Locale: Extreme northern Sierra Nevada
didn't work on 09/29/2011 19:15:51 MDT Print View

Link didn't work.

Edited by hikerduane on 09/29/2011 19:17:35 MDT.

Hikin' Jim
(hikin_jim)

Locale: Los Angeles, CA, USA
Re: didn't work on 09/29/2011 19:26:51 MDT Print View

Links are a little tricky on this forum, Duane. You have to code in native html.

It should look something like this:
<a href=http://some_website_address>some description (optional) of the website</a>

For example, if you wanted to go to Backpacking Light, you would type in
<a href=http://www.backpackinglight.com>Backpacking Light</a>

Which would turn out to look like this when actually put into place:
Backpacking Light

Kind of a pain.

HJ

Edited by hikin_jim on 09/29/2011 19:35:37 MDT.

USA Duane Hall
(hikerduane) - F

Locale: Extreme northern Sierra Nevada
A pain for sure on 09/29/2011 19:46:02 MDT Print View

Thank you HJ.

USA Duane Hall
(hikerduane) - F

Locale: Extreme northern Sierra Nevada
Get motivated? on 10/25/2011 20:50:27 MDT Print View

Any of the more "experienced" bpers, climbers dig out that old stove, pump and give it a go? I'm looking for a few more old MSR/Radius stoves that might have been used in the '70's that need a new, good home if looking to hand one off.:)
Duane
email---hikerduaneataaahawkdotcom

Hikin' Jim
(hikin_jim)

Locale: Los Angeles, CA, USA
Re: Get motivated? on 10/25/2011 20:56:15 MDT Print View

"experienced?" I think he means us old farts. :)

HJ

USA Duane Hall
(hikerduane) - F

Locale: Extreme northern Sierra Nevada
If they are gathering dust or rust on 12/16/2011 23:55:52 MST Print View

Any links to photos of your old stoves? I'll buy a model or two if I don't have enough yet that anyone wants to send to a good home.:) That's been my motivation this Fall to get out more bping. My stoves, using them. I took an old Enders 9061 from 1959 out last week, heavy old thing, ran sweet, simmered good after a bit.
email-hikerduane at aaa hawk dot com

Duane