Anybody have a link to a strong micro clip ??
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Troy Ammons
(tammons) - F
Anybody have a link to a strong micro clip ?? on 08/15/2011 11:25:25 MDT Print View

Looking for some strong plastic micro clips.

Basically its for a Poncho tarp.
Want to be able to clip on guy lines.

Pilate de Guerre
(deGuerre) - F

Locale: SE, USA
MYOG UL "carabiner" on 08/15/2011 13:03:00 MDT Print View

MYOG UL "carabiner" can weigh as little as 1g

DIY Gear Supply (formerly the Backwoods Daydreamer) with "mini-biners" with no weight listed for $0.50

DIY Gear Supply again with "Micro Carabiners" for $1.65 each

Z Packs 0.1oz. / 2.8g Mini-D Carabiners for $1.95 Joe also has them available as a 6 pack at a slight discount. Domestic shipping is cheap.

Soft Shackle $6.00

Pilate de Guerre
(deGuerre) - F

Locale: SE, USA
Consider splicing in a fixed on 08/15/2011 13:25:55 MDT Print View

Consider splicing in a fixed loop or just tie a loop with knot on one end for each of your guy lines, loop that through each guy tie-out on the tarp, pull the non-loop end through the fixed loop, and then use Micro Line Locs from Z-Packs or the cheaper Line Loc 3 depending on your guy line thickness to get the tension you need. This may be the lightest solution, but not the cheapest if you will be re-buying some SUL line for your guy lines.

Video showing how to use Line Locs. In the video he uses the Mirco Line Loc variety, I think.

Aaron Benson
(AaronMB) - F

Locale: Central Valley California
Re: Consider splicing in a fixed on 08/15/2011 15:37:26 MDT Print View

""Consider splicing in a fixed loop or just tie a loop with knot on one end for each of your guy lines, loop that through each guy tie-out on the tarp, pull the non-loop end through the fixed loop, and then...""

Agreed. Line Locs work fine; if the cordage is suitable for knots, the Taut Line Hitch works just fine, too - no carabiners or Line Locs needed. YMMV.

Troy Ammons
(tammons) - F
Anybody have a link to a strong micro clip ?? on 08/15/2011 15:42:03 MDT Print View

Thanks

Chris Lucas
(ChemE) - F

Locale: SC
Nacrabiner on 08/15/2011 16:36:18 MDT Print View

My nacrabiner weighs 0.3 grams.

Pilate de Guerre
(deGuerre) - F

Locale: SE, USA
Re: Nacrabiner on 08/15/2011 19:52:06 MDT Print View

Chris,

What line did you make that nacrabiner out of? Also, why is a called a nacrabiner?

Edited by deGuerre on 08/15/2011 19:52:53 MDT.

Chris Lucas
(ChemE) - F

Locale: SC
Z-Line Slick on 08/15/2011 20:26:35 MDT Print View

I used the 1.4 mm Z-Line Slick from ZPacks. In retrospect it is the perfect choice since it so readily slides on itself! I believe what makes it a nacrabiner is that nacra533 from the hammock forums was the first person credited with this particular design.

http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/forums/thread_display.html?forum_thread_id=32116

Pilate de Guerre
(deGuerre) - F

Locale: SE, USA
Re: Z-Line Slick on 08/15/2011 20:32:00 MDT Print View

Thanks Chris.

Daryl Daryl
(lyrad1) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest, USA, Earth
Re: Nacrabiner on 08/18/2011 21:31:49 MDT Print View

Chris,

Hard to tell how the noose is made from the photo. Is it simply wrapped around a couple of times?

Daryl

John Donewar
(Newton) - MLife

Locale: Southeastern Louisiana
Re: Re: Nacrabiner on 08/19/2011 05:16:20 MDT Print View

Daryl,

Is this the detail in the picture below that you are questioning?

Loop detail

Here are a few more photos to clarify how they are made.

Loop detail 2

The next two pictures show a couple of different ways to finish off the nacrabiner.

Loop detail 3

You can simply tie the stopper knot on the end of the doubled cord or thread one of the two ends through the side and into the center of the other. The cord then exits out of the side just before the stopper knot is tied in the "again" doubled cord.

Loop detail 4

I hope this answered your question.

Now I have one of my own. Where can I find one of these really neat "cord insertion" tools, shown in the first picture, to fit some of Lawson's older guywire?

Party On,

Newton

Edited by Newton on 08/19/2011 05:23:47 MDT.

Troy Ammons
(tammons) - F
Anybody have a link to a strong micro clip ?? on 08/19/2011 06:58:23 MDT Print View

Seen those before but never a clear photo.

I use a piece of .035 SS welding wire to make Brummels and whatnot.

Daryl Daryl
(lyrad1) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest, USA, Earth
Re: Re: Re: Nacrabiner on 08/19/2011 08:45:40 MDT Print View

John,

You answered my question perfectly.

Thanks.

Daryl

Chris Lucas
(ChemE) - F

Locale: SC
Knot Detail on 08/19/2011 13:00:05 MDT Print View

This video is quite good: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvX-jpJc0cs

You're tying a diamond knot.

Pilate de Guerre
(deGuerre) - F

Locale: SE, USA
Re: Re: Re: Nacrabiner on 08/19/2011 14:11:00 MDT Print View

John,

Thanks for the photos.

As to your question, have consider using a guitar string?

John Donewar
(Newton) - MLife

Locale: Southeastern Louisiana
Re: Re: Re: Re: Nacrabiner on 08/19/2011 20:48:13 MDT Print View

Hey Pilate,

I never mind sharing what I didn't know before I googled it! ;-) LOL

I've been getting by using a yarn needle and fraying the end of the cord. I trim off about 2/3rds of the frayed cord and insert the rest through the needle eye.

It works OK about 80% of the time. I believe the tool that I am looking for is called a fid.

I found some on the internet but the 1.7mm to 2.0mm size is the sticking point.

There's no hurry as I am back to work on my wife's day pack. Stay tuned, pictures will be up on BPL fairly soon.

Party On,

Newton