Thanks for answering my question in that other thread and generally being helpful.
I don't have any further questions for you, and you haven't missed any communications from me.
I was aware that you sell the eye-poppin' drool-inducing well-regarded finished goods while "Ayce" at Thru-Hiker handles the DIY/MYOG materials sales. Hope I didn't come off as implying that you sell the materials or currently sell down goods.
Merely, I was referencing your relationship with "Ayce" in the sourcing and alleged testing and vetting of materials and where there was an apparent breakdown of your combined 20+ years experience with fabrics with some of the initial claims vs. the reported performance of the Momentum 50 product.
Specifically, I was referencing your joint claims of Momentum 50's down-proofiness and water resistance. These claims have since been silently redacted, that is, there is no longer a mention of M50 on MLD's site and the product description on Thru-Hiker has been significantly altered.
If anyone is confused at what I am talking about you can see these screen captures. The first is a copy-and-paste Dustin Short did from the Thru-Hiker site shortly after M50 was announced. These second is a post of Ron's:
Notice the claims of down proofiness and "pretty good" DWR described by Ron. There have been reports of both escaping down and a not good water repellency. Those myriad reports are in direct contradiction with the claims initially made.
Since then some technical claims have been dropped from the ad copy on Thru-Hiker and MLD doesn't mention or use M50 any longer after switching to only using it as a sleeping bag liner for a short time. Momentum 55 has been introduced in an apparent bid to correct for the shortcomings of M50.
These changes in claims, discontinuance of the use of M50 by MLD, and replacement/correction of M50 by M55 was all despite the selection and supposed testing by two parties with a touted 20+ years experience in fabrics and of course the vigorous branding of the product.
I only brought this up because I think that there is some large discrepancy between the original claims by the branders, that is, you and "Ayce," of M50 and the in-field experiences of the purchasers of the product -- the experiences of escaping down and less-than "pretty good" DWR.
You mention in the other thread that the difference in price between some of the quality of fabrics you've seen but chosen not to use and the fabrics you have gone with is only $2-3/yard. That was very interesting and enlightening to me.
Zohar is offering this 8Dx8D for $6 a yard. This is after what must be a considerable diseconomy of scale as it is shipping from South Korea to the US alone and the supplier undoubtably jacked up the price due to such a low MOQ. I imagine the price if ordered in a normal/industrial quantity is quite a bit lower. The applicable technical specs of weight, denier, and downproofiness are all comparable to M55 (@ $22/yard price point) and M50 (@ 20/yard price point) for my intended uses.
If nothing else the failures in testing or quality control or whatever it is that led to the M50 product being replaced by M55 and you and "Ayce" not standing by your claims draws into question the value of the branding and vetting that is brought to the table. And this is despite how renowned you are in the pioneering and production of fine ultralight gear.
Admittedly, I don't know much about the shady world of international fabric sales, but it seems like it's a confusing realm where even the most experienced can make some missteps and that's understandable. It also seems to me that these niche technical fabrics either have some oddly unacceptable level of variation in the production quality and availability or else there is a lot of FUD spread around by suppliers/producers, wholesalers, gear manufacturers, etc. and it serves their interests at the expense of the consumers down the line. Josh seems to have hinted that at least the suppliers/producers can be less than forthright, so I may be on to something.
Your offer is gracious. Thank you. I'll be in touch.