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Rakesh Malik
(Tamerlin)

Locale: Cascadia
Re: Re: Why not use a PU coated floor? on 01/25/2012 10:31:03 MST Print View

> Thomas, I can tell you that that we just don't get reports of floor water
> intrusion and floors just don't come back for repair (and lots of users don't
> bother with groundsheets).

I spent a night in a Scarp 1 on soggy ground from a full day's rain, and even though the rain continued into the night, I had no problems with water getting into the tent. I did not use a groundsheet.

Stephen M
(stephenm) - MLife

Locale: The Great Lakes Bay Region
Scarp 1 Floor on 01/25/2012 14:06:56 MST Print View

I have used a Scarp is some horrendous weather in the UK and Ireland and never have had any water intrusion through the groundsheet. I dont bother with a groundsheet protector.

Franco Darioli
(Franco) - M

Locale: Melbourne
Coming Soon: Tarptent StratoSpire on 01/25/2012 14:36:47 MST Print View

The SS2 stands up with six pegs.
That will work for mild weather with a bit of wind resistance in particular if a Pitch Lock corner is pointed into it.
For best wind performance and some snow loading you need to put more tension onto it.
That is done with the two extra guylines.
TT SS2 top view

Having those two in place you have tension from the 4 cardinal points .
I have not had strong winds on it but judging by what I had and just the way the structure feels set up like that I would be more confident inside there than in most other (backpacking ) mid type tents.
Franco

Trevor Wilson
(trevor83) - MLife

Locale: Swiss Alps / Southern Appalachians
Re: Trevor... on 01/25/2012 14:42:35 MST Print View

@Doug - great to hear it performed so well for you.

@Travis - Thanks, I am aware of the inner and have one but have never tried it. It does add a few more ounces which would put it a bit above the weight of the SS2.

Sergiy Sosnytskiy
(ssv310)

Locale: Ukraine
Re: Coming Soon: Tarptent StratoSpire on 01/25/2012 14:51:54 MST Print View

Franco,
Is that an effect of a wide-angle lens, or are the doors under the additional guylines almost vertical?

updated:
I think I found the answer myself. The diagrams you have posted on the first page show the angle as it is, without optical effects :)

Edited by ssv310 on 01/25/2012 14:55:39 MST.

Derek Goffin
(Derekoak)

Locale: North of England
Coming Soon: Tarptent StratoSpire on 03/12/2012 09:45:29 MDT Print View

I too would prefer a mostly solid inner if it were available and a non slippy groundsheet if it were available at not much greater weight.
If another trek pole (right by the upwind pitchlock corner) is used to lift the centre seam using the 2 loops provided, would it not be an advantage to provide loops on some of the other nearby seams for even more wind/snow defense?
What attracts me is the solid geometry solution that breaks up the usual flappy rectangle that you get with the roof of a 2 trek pole tent.
Would it not be an advantage to link all these loops to the inner to lift it to get even more inner room?

katia shnaptis
(katish) - F
exquisite! on 04/10/2012 22:51:52 MDT Print View

I have been on this site on and off for about 3 years and never bothered to register before. I registered today after reading all the 10 or so pages in this thread and the few more pages on outdoorsmagic wen I should've been asleep 2 hours ago.

I have never considered a tarp tent before because they always felt clumsy to me - this is a whole other thing. Great inovative design, kudos to you. Love the videos, appreciate all the feedback to potential costumers. I wish I could testdrive one of these.. I'm all the way here in Brazil where the weather is hot and damp, it's not uncommom to get wind gusts and downpour and some other times just haze throught the day.

Question.. the footprint is quite large, is it at all possible to have it set up without stretching the vestibule doors? I don't mean having them rolled up, I mean with the vestibule doors pulled down to the ground but not stretched out, if it makes any sense...

I think all I need to be sold on the SS is a video of it withstanding wind storms!

Cheers
kat

Edited by katish on 04/11/2012 09:22:54 MDT.

Paul Doran
(PaulDoran) - F

Locale: Guernsey
Vs Scarp 2? on 04/30/2012 23:55:58 MDT Print View

What is the benefit of this tent over Scarp 2?

Stephen M
(stephenm) - MLife

Locale: The Great Lakes Bay Region
Re: Vs Scarp 2? on 05/01/2012 11:06:54 MDT Print View

The Scarp is heavier as uses poles, the Stratosphire uses walking poles, I have borh models if you had any questions.

Paul Doran
(PaulDoran) - F

Locale: Guernsey
Hi Stephen on 05/02/2012 03:28:14 MDT Print View

It might be too late now as I ordered it yesterday! I also see that the Strato packs up smaller and has greater internal space and head height. I cannot think of a single reason to buy the Scarp 2 over it now, do you agree?

Stephen M
(stephenm) - MLife

Locale: The Great Lakes Bay Region
Re: Hi Stephen on 05/02/2012 07:19:11 MDT Print View

Hi Paul,

You could still change your order.

I will use the Ss1 for 3 Season use in the Us
And the Scarp for all year round in Uk/Ireland.

They are very different shelters.

Stephen

Paul Doran
(PaulDoran) - F

Locale: Guernsey
But why! on 05/02/2012 08:56:09 MDT Print View

Maybe the scarp can take more of a battering, but in every other respect the SS must be better? I can't see any other way of looking at it!

Stephen M
(stephenm) - MLife

Locale: The Great Lakes Bay Region
Re: But why! on 05/02/2012 09:42:52 MDT Print View

1.Heavy snowfall
2. High winds.

Paul Doran
(PaulDoran) - F

Locale: Guernsey
Thanks on 05/02/2012 10:09:13 MDT Print View

Thanks Stephen - what sort of winds can the Strato take, in your experience? Apologies for not responding to your PM yet, I can't yet work out how to get into the PM System!

Stephen M
(stephenm) - MLife

Locale: The Great Lakes Bay Region
Re: Thanks on 05/02/2012 10:33:53 MDT Print View

Hi Paul,

I have had the Scarp out in 70+mph wind & it worked well, I have not used the SS1 in high winds yet so can't comment at all. but I can say thta with strong poles and solid pegs it should do very well.

Regarding the PM you need to be logged in to the website and follow the link on the PM email, if you want to reply with your email address here I will email you.

Cheers,

Stephen

Robert Petrowski
(Kane) - MLife

Locale: North Central NM
Re: exquisite! on 05/04/2012 21:13:26 MDT Print View

Hi Katia,
I don't think anyone answered your question re the large footprint and staking the vestibule doors straight down to minimize the size of the overall footprint. Despite Mr. Shires insistence that "it just isn't that big", I can assure you that it is a large footprint indeed. Plan on needing a space approx. 8'x8' for pitching this palace. It's huge if you're a solo hiker like me that is accustomed to smaller accommodations. All the space is awesome, just be prepared to find the space to pitch it.

The short answer to your question is no- not without a whole lot of extra material flapping in the wind anyway. But, as coincidence would have it, I had the exact same concerns and emailed Henry Shires about making some modifications on the vestibule doors on both sides of the tent, so that I could stake one vestibule or the other straight down. He ended up adding an extra tie down on each door to stake to the ground as well as a hook and a loop to one of the doors in order to gather the extra material that you wind up with when the material goes straight down instead of being extended out. Thanks again to Henry for that solution by the way.

I literally just got my SS1 yesterday so I have not field tested the mods yet, but they look very promising experimenting with it set up at home at least.

With the vestibules being about 3' wide on each side, this mod effectively makes the overall footprint more like 5' by 8'. In some of the terrain I camp in (desert sage and canyons), this can make the difference between more readily finding a spot to pitch the tent or slogging on in hopes of finding a larger site.

Hope that helps you- and anyone else wondering the same thing. I was wondering if I was the only person that thought of this!

Robert Petrowski
(Kane) - MLife

Locale: North Central NM
Re: Coming Soon: Tarptent StratoSpire on 05/04/2012 21:25:20 MDT Print View

Derek,

At least as far as your preference for a mostly solid inner, according to Henry, this will be an available option sometime in the next couple months. I think it's referred to as a "semi-solid interior". I forget what model he compared it to (Scarp?) but it's similar to the Notch semi-solid option, but higher than that.

Edited by Kane on 05/04/2012 21:28:43 MDT.

Dan Durston
(dandydan) - M

Locale: Cascadia
SS2 Pics on 07/11/2012 11:34:58 MDT Print View

A few recent SS2 pics. Tent is working out well.

SS2 rafts

This deer was intrigued by the SS2 design
SS2 deer

Aaron Harmer
(Barbarossa) - F
Re: Re: exquisite! on 09/27/2012 16:02:22 MDT Print View

I'm considering the SS2, and so foot print size was my main concern also. Just wondering how your mods have been working out Petrovski? Do you mind if I ask how much extra you had to pay for them?

Stephen M
(stephenm) - MLife

Locale: The Great Lakes Bay Region
Re: Coming Soon: Tarptent StratoSpire on 02/07/2013 15:27:54 MST Print View

How are folks getting on with their Stratophire's?

I have used my SS1 for 4 trips so far and I am very happy with it, on one of the trips a buddy and I slept under the fly with plenty room to spare, I also bought the semi solid inner.