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Nick Gatel
(ngatel) - MLife

Locale: Southern California
Re: Re: Re: We need a SUL thread PLEASE on 07/15/2011 17:00:22 MDT Print View


Wow your have experienced some scope creep. Too much to go over in detail, but here are some suggestions:

Boots - everyone knows GTX is not good footwear. Lowa Banff's are sturdier too.

Where's the fishing gear?

Aluminum pot? - might have lead in them if made overseas. MSR makes a nice stainless steel set that is reminiscent of the old Sigg Tourist design. You need a fry pan for the fish. Coleman makes some nice cast iron ones. You might want to get rid off all this cooking stuff and get a real Dutch oven.

Bivy - seems to be missing.

Fox40 whistle - I think they are all made from plastic. Might break or melt in your campfire. Take a look at the Markwort Nickel Plated whistle with lanyard.

Plastic trowel - these can break. Go with the iPood metal trowel. The handle is a compartment to hold a small roll of toilet paper. You can save the weight of the bag you are currently using to transport your TP.

1st Aid Kit - you seem to be missing some items. Suggest you look into an Adventure Mountain Medic kit. Might also want to consider the Adventure Suture Syringe Kit just in case.

How are you going to take a shower? Take a look at the Seattle Sports 5 gallon Camp Shower, or better yet, the Coleman Hot Water on Demand LPG shower.

Colt 1911? - YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING. Those things weigh around 40 oz. Get a Beretta Px4 Special Duty (savings = 12 oz).

Spotting scope AND binoculars? - Redundant. Get a Orion BT100 Premium Binocular Telescope, with an assortment of eye pieces. The tripod can do multiple duty as a dutch oven hanger.

Nalgene - plastic? Might break or crack. Recommend a blanket covered stainless steel canteen. You won't need water pockets, the heavy duty canvas strap will let you hang it from your pack. The beauty of the blanket cover is that when wetted, the evaporation will keep your water cool. Don't accept a felt cover, wool is better.

I don't have time to review the rest, but I think your back is too small. If you get a Gregory Denali Pro105, you can use it for winter and mountaineering. Dual use. A large is 7,000 cu in.

Tom Kirchner
(ouzel) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest/Sierra
Re: We need a SUL Thread PLEASE on 07/15/2011 17:16:15 MDT Print View

"Toilet paper in the backcountry is just wrong. If you want to pack it out, go ahead I guess I can't stop you from doing that, but if I have to burn another piece of GARBAGE that I've encountered in the b.c. (aka TP) I'm bound to start getting angry"

What about all those who use TP responsibly, by which I mean either bury it 6" deep and cover it well, or burn it to a crisp in the hole before doing same? Why tar everybody with the same brush? You're the second eminence on this website to imply that anyone who uses TP is wrong and somehow morally deficient because you happen to run across the disgusting remains of irresponsible behavior by a benighted segment of the backpacking population. I don't like it either, Sam, and believe me when I say I run across it with increasing frequency as well. However, I don't extrapolate from those experiences that all use of TP is wrong, and I don't think you or Mike should either.

a b
Thank You. on 07/15/2011 19:37:11 MDT Print View

Thanks Addie!
If you were a president you would be Babe-raham Lincoln!
Cool I can stop whining now.. Nah, I like whining.

Nick Gatel
(ngatel) - MLife

Locale: Southern California
Re: Re: We need a SUL Thread PLEASE on 07/15/2011 19:43:19 MDT Print View


Well said. BTW, when Sam and Mike are our age, they may appreciate TP, but at least they will know how to dispose of it properly :)

Tom Kirchner
(ouzel) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest/Sierra
Re: Re: Re: We need a SUL Thread PLEASE on 07/15/2011 20:04:39 MDT Print View

"BTW, when Sam and Mike are our age, they may appreciate TP, but at least they will know how to dispose of it properly :)"


Sean Staplin
(mtnrat) - MLife

Locale: Southern Cdn Rockies
not worthy on 07/15/2011 20:50:59 MDT Print View

Addie, we are not worthy. :)

Dylan Snodgrass

Locale: San Francisco, CA
We need a SUL Thread PLEASE on 07/15/2011 23:34:07 MDT Print View

If you bury your TP animals just dig it up. If you burn first be really, really careful. In my youth I worked as a seasonal Firefighter for BLM based out of the King Range Wilderness up North. During my 3 seasons we fought 2 wildfires attributed to people burning their TP. One dude was just off the beach on a grassy bluff and managed to light the place up. The other smoldered for a day or two started a low intensity fire in the old root structure of the snag they leaned against when doing their business and eventually took off for a good run eating up quite a few acres. I always pack it out...

Tom Kirchner
(ouzel) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest/Sierra
Re: We need a SUL Thread PLEASE on 07/17/2011 17:42:52 MDT Print View

"If you bury your TP animals just dig it up."

Not saying that can't happen, but if that were generally the case, there would be TP all over the backcountry. A lot depends on how carefully you dig, use, and refill your cathole. That said, I always go under a fairly large rock when such rocks are available, which is darn near 100% of the time where I do my backpacking, and then burn my TP.

"If you burn first be really, really careful." Uh, yeah, like either peeing on the embers or dousing with water.

john chong
(johnch) - F
im glad this subforum openned up on 07/20/2011 01:52:47 MDT Print View

I recently took a sul trip and realized possible it was to do well with such low base weights. This subforum will be my new home!

Chris Lucas
(ChemE) - F

Locale: SC
Sweet! on 07/20/2011 19:55:53 MDT Print View

Just noticed this forum tonight for the first time! I'll be posting all my crazy hacks here in hopes of someone actually appreciating them. I was proud to see my trick of Dremelling the flange off a water bottle mentioned earlier in this thread. :)

Dan Durston
(dandydan) - F

Re: We need a SUL Thread PLEASE on 07/24/2011 20:01:17 MDT Print View

"If you bury your TP animals just dig it up."

Three days ago I was hiking with my wife and dog. Mid-hike, my dog walked about 3-5 feet off the trail to sniff something. She poked her nose into the peat moss and raised her head with a large human stool in her mouth.....super gross. I couldn't believe someone dropped a deuce right next to the trail.

Anyways, thanks for the SUL forum. This is going to be perhaps the most innovative spot on here (competing with the MYOG section). My solo base is at 6 lbs (summer) to 7 lbs (3 season) right now and I'm going to be taking a close look at SUL ideas to keep that dropping.

Craig W.
(xnomanx) - F - M
Re: Re: We need a SUL Thread PLEASE on 07/24/2011 20:39:31 MDT Print View

My dog pulled that one on me a few trips ago. Disappeared into the bushes, comes out a few minutes later with a nice wad of used TP, 5 feet of it trailing behind her.

She didn't seem to understand why I kept dunking her face in the river and rubbing sand on her mouth....

10 minutes later, she's slinking off to find more.

Everywhere I travel I usually stumble across used TP dug up by something.

Fortunately, I've been liberated for about 5 years now. Not just better for backpacking, but very practical for long distance mountain running as well.

George Matthews
(gmatthews) - MLife
Re: Re: Re: dog fetcheth on 07/30/2011 04:19:44 MDT Print View

Hence the expression: a dog with a sheet eatin' grin :@)

Glad to see the SUL thread.

I'm going for it on my next backpacking trip. I've been at 5 lb. Maybe with the help of this new thread, I can get closer to 4 lb.

Sun rising here in East. Time to go run!

Steven Evans
(Steve_Evans) - MLife

Locale: Canada
Re: Re: We need a SUL Thread PLEASE on 08/01/2011 17:12:12 MDT Print View

Wow, this should be a fun forum. I didn't even see any of this today. I actually don't even post much anymore because I'm pretty sure everyone thought I was crazy. Good to see I'm not the only one!

Pilate de Guerre
(deGuerre) - F

Locale: SE, USA
Crazy? on 08/10/2011 21:57:32 MDT Print View


I don't think you're crazy! And, what's more, I've enjoyed your past contributions. You've really pushed things as far as new designs and such.