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The science of Gatorade
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j lan
(justaddfuel) - F

Locale: MN
Re: Re: Look to the sugars on 09/28/2011 08:55:54 MDT Print View

Pedialyte mixed 50/50 with water is far superior and readily available. It's what rockstars use for all their boozin. There are spanish label versions of this stuff for a dollar or two cheaper.

Doh! I already posted pedialyte in this thread. Sorry for the double, But i do see they make powder packs now.

Edited by justaddfuel on 09/28/2011 08:58:55 MDT.

Joe Clement
(skinewmexico) - MLife

Locale: Southwest
The science of Gatorade on 09/28/2011 10:23:19 MDT Print View

Gatorade taste just bugs me after too long, so I've gone to S-Caps and water. If I need sugar, I eat something.

Eugene Smith
(Eugeneius) - MLife

Locale: Nuevo Mexico
the "ades" on 09/28/2011 10:33:04 MDT Print View

+1 on the other "ade", the full spectrum of electrolytes puts it a notch above Gatorade. Any of those powdered electrolyte drinks that contain maltodextrin (Heed, Gu Brew) work better for me on the long runs, but they come at a cost over the cheaper "Ade" drinks so are rarely bought. All the races I run usually stock aid stations with all the expensive goodies, Gatorade is nowhere to be found.

Salt tablets like S-Caps seem like a better option than carrying around Gatorade powder on hikes, but you don't get that filtered water flavor maskimg if that's partially what you're after.

Piper S.
(sbhikes) - F

Locale: Santa Barbara (Name: Diane)
Re: the "ades" on 09/28/2011 11:19:35 MDT Print View

I do not like to drink sugary drinks in general. I tend to drink a diet or low-sugar drink instead just to make the water more palatable and if I need energy I eat something. I haven't gotten far enough into running to know how to handle that, however.

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Re: the "ades" on 09/28/2011 11:58:19 MDT Print View

I've seen too many hikers with a thirst problem. They don't get thirsty enough, or at least there is poor perception of thirst. As a result, they get somewhat dehydrated before they do anything about it. As a result of dehydration, they get muscle cramps and weakness.

By adding a little something to your water, you can work around this. If it is purely electrolytes, then that will cause the water to stay in the muscle tissues better. If it is purely sugars, it will just give you quick energy. Maybe you want just a touch of both. The flavor will encourage you to drink it even if you don't think you are that thirsty.


Mike M
(mtwarden) - MLife

Locale: Montana
Gatorade v Powerade on 10/01/2011 19:41:39 MDT Print View

it was wrongly stated that Gatorade doesn't have Potassium- it does (little more than Powerade actually), what it does have is about twice the Sodium though- which evidently some think is pretty important

gatorade vs powerade

Edited by mtwarden on 10/01/2011 19:44:56 MDT.

Tom Kirchner
(ouzel) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest/Sierra
Re: Re: Re: Look to the sugars on 10/01/2011 20:50:26 MDT Print View

"Doh! I already posted pedialyte in this thread. Sorry for the double, But i do see they make powder packs now."

If you are interested in Pedialyte, a much cheaper option is to buy oral rehydration salts from Jianis Brothers. They sell the official WHO rehydration formula used to rehydrate cholera/dysentery victims in ~1.1 oz packets. The formula is a combo of glucose, sodium compounds and potassium compounds. I used it for years, diluted to half strength and flavored with Crystal Lite. It works very well, but I have since switched to a 2 bottle system: one bottle of Perpetuem and one of plain water with Morton's Lite salt(1 liter with 3-4 grams of Morton's).

Eugene Smith
(Eugeneius) - MLife

Locale: Nuevo Mexico
"The science of Gatorade" on 10/01/2011 21:02:41 MDT Print View

Perpetuem contains a significant amount of sodium and potassium, why the addition of Morton's salt in bottle #2?

Tom Kirchner
(ouzel) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest/Sierra
Re: "The science of Gatorade" on 10/02/2011 17:51:29 MDT Print View

"Perpetuem contains a significant amount of sodium and potassium, why the addition of Morton's salt in bottle #2?"

The sodium(220 mg) is significant but not adequate for me over the course of 4 hours working hard at elevations around 11,000'. The potassium(75 mg) is insignificant in the context of an RDA of 3000 mg/day. The qualifier here is that 2 packets of Perpetuem are all I eat between breakfast and dinner, relying on body fat for the rest of my calories. The Morton's Lite salt provides ~370 mg of potassium and 280 mg of sodium per 1/4 tsp, and I add 1/4 tsp to a liter of water, which last me ~4 hours. I use 2 liters on a typical day, which provides ~740 mg of potassium and 560 mg of sodium in addition to that provided by the Perpetuem, enough to almost completely eliminate the cramps I used to get. YMMV.

Delmar O'Donnell

Locale: Between Jacinto & Gorgonio
BFM Says on 07/31/2013 10:52:39 MDT Print View

From the interesting link posted above:

"Viewed scientifically, the differences between Gatorade and Powerade are small, with neither beverage appearing clearly superior to the other."

Rehydration solution recommended The Backpacker's Field Manual p. 329:

1/4 t salt
1/4 t baking soda
4 t sugar or honey
1 qt/L water

BFM also states: "Sports replacement drinks like Gatorade are too high in carbohydrates and should not be used for cases of severe dehydration."

Greg Mihalik
(greg23) - M

Locale: Colorado
Re: The science of Gatorade on 07/31/2013 14:47:12 MDT Print View

" The science of Gatorade"

Even on a 2 year old thread, it still reads like an oxymoron.

Roger Caffin
(rcaffin) - BPL Staff - MLife

Locale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe
Re: The science of Gatorade ??????? on 07/31/2013 16:08:55 MDT Print View

There is no science involved, just marketing.


Richard Reno
(scubahhh) - M

Locale: White Mountains, mostly.
Cytomax? on 07/31/2013 18:27:16 MDT Print View

Fire away!

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Cytomax? on 07/31/2013 23:19:39 MDT Print View

Actually, I kind of like Cytomax. More importantly, I take a variety of these drink powders. When I tire of one flavor, I try another, then another. On a week-long trip, I probably go through 10 ounces of Gatorade, Cytomax, Powerade, Vitalyte, and my own custom-mixed stuff (maltodextrin, electrolytes, and a bit of flavor).

If I am walking downhill, I drink mostly water. If it is moderate uphill, then I drink half-strength sports drinks. If it is steep uphill, then I go to the straight stuff.


Desert Dweller

Locale: Wild Wild West
Gatorade on 08/01/2013 07:14:00 MDT Print View

As a former endurance athlete I can testify that my observations of overuse and improper or no cutting of Gatorade with water has enabled me to witness more cases of mid-race and post race severe hypoglycemia than I care to remember. I don't touch the stuff. Plain, balanced electrolytes and as much water as you can drink periodically throughout the day and good nutrition is more than adequate for extended periods of high exertion.

Mark S
(gixer) - F
Re: BFM Says on 08/04/2013 16:53:50 MDT Print View

Dehydration is a real worry here in Greece during the summer months, i've tried several specialist drinks but either end up with a bad tummy or end up with the signs of dehydration.

Started making my own hydration mix and have found it to be better than anything store bought.

I just use a pinch of salt and a small cup of fresh orange juice (non sweetened) per litre of water.

Don't bother with any sugar as i tend to pack for a food stop around half way, also have a bag of mixed nuts and raisins in my rucksack pocket if i feel i'm running low on energy.

Bob Dromgoole
The, ahem, cough cough, Science of Gatorade on 08/16/2013 13:15:23 MDT Print View

"Caution, Rant Ahead"...
The 'science' of Gatorade is greed based. All about $. That's it! There is no nutritional science involved. If there is, it is very flawed and they need new 'Scientists'
I don't understand why all these nature lovers want to buy such a highly processed and toxic product containing such nasty stuff. IE..artificial colors are generally considered to be neurotoxins (among many other issues), yellow #5 is implicated in asthmatic reactions. The list of problems with artificial colors goes on and on... The sugar is largely High Fructose corn syrup, Google that and see how healthy your Gatorade is!!

"Like other sugary drinks on the market today, Gatorade uses brominated vegetable oil (BVO). BVO, used to increase fluidity and uniformity, is also used to create lead dissolving additives for gasoline, photographic paper films, fire-extinguishing materials, and agricultural fumigants. And if that wasn’t a call for alarm, more than 100 countries have outlawed the substance altogether."

Supposedly they recently removed this ingredient, but how can you trust a company (Pepsico) that would use it in the 1st place?? And why would one want to support Pepsico, destroyers of health worldwide?!

Also the sodium/potassium balance is all wrong for proper electrolyte usage by the body. There is WAY to much sodium. There should be aprox 3;1 ratio of potassium to sodium, Gatorade is about the opposite, this is not good for proper hydration!
"An example of an inorganic substance is table salt. It is simply sodium and chloride. No enzymes, thus it is enzymatically inactive and the body cannot use it. Our bodies cannot attach an enzyme to inorganic substances (minerals), except at great cost to our health."

We all here want to go light, well what about our impact on the Earth herself? Do we not want a light footprint here too?? Supporting mega-corps is NOT helping!! Pepsico is destroying the very health and well being of peoples worldwide and the planet to boot.

To make my own, much better electrolyte drink. I prefer citrus (for potassium) and a 'small' pinch of Himalayan Pink Salt, (lot's of good minerals for the body). (table salt used by Gator is extremely bad for the body, and provides no nutrition and actually DE-hydrates at the levels contained therein) And a bit of honey. (also very nutritious compared to the sucrose/glucose/corn syrup sweetener of death)....

Some basic sodium info... "It is like this. Sodium is an important mineral in the body as it is responsible for sending the message from the brain to muscles through the nervous system so that your body will move its muscles on command. When you want to move your arm or any muscle in the body, the brain sends a message to a sodium molecule who passes it to a potassium molecule and then back to a sodium molecule etc., etc., until it gets to its final destination and the muscle moves. This is known as the sodium-potassium ion exchange. Therefore without sodium, you would never be able to move one muscle of your body.

Regardless, it is not common table salt that the body needs in order to sustain life. It is sodium. Sodium just happens to be an element in common table salt which is known as sodium chloride and that is where the confusion exists. Therefore, salt is not a necessary compound in order for the body to survive, but rather sodium is the necessary life sustaining element. Ironically, sodium is found in all plants so you are getting plenty of sodium everyday without even realizing it every time you eat a food that comes from a plant."

"An example of an inorganic substance is table salt. It is simply sodium and chloride. No enzymes, thus it is enzymatically inactive and the body cannot use it. Our bodies cannot attach an enzyme to inorganic substances (minerals), except at great cost to our health."

OK, I better stop. Here's to yer health!

Tom Kirchner
(ouzel) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest/Sierra
Re: The, ahem, cough cough, Science of Gatorade on 08/16/2013 14:20:56 MDT Print View

"OK, I better stop."

Amen to that, brother, amen to that.

That said, I did find your discourse on enzymes to be most entertaining. ;0)

Bob Dromgoole
re on 08/16/2013 15:15:52 MDT Print View

I did warn ya...
Well thanks for reading through it! haha.
Hydration is a crucial issue, just tryin' to help! (or at least encourage further research)

Edited by lowebyrrd on 08/16/2013 15:17:48 MDT.

Tom Kirchner
(ouzel) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest/Sierra
Re: re on 08/16/2013 15:21:46 MDT Print View

"I did warn ya...
Well thanks for reading through it! haha."

Hey, we're all bozo's on this bus. Welcome to the party. ;0))

You're right about hydration being crucial, for sure. Have you read Kevin Sawchuck's recent BPL article on the subject? He's a relatively rare combination of physician and ultra runner, and his article is worth a look.