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John Jensen
(JohnJ) - F

Locale: Orange County, CA
The science of Gatorade on 07/13/2011 06:09:14 MDT Print View

This Wired article is neat, but I think the Wired author takes the wrong lesson at the end.

It seems to connect with the "diet soda is bad for you thing" in some way.

Basically, taste is an important tool in telling the body how much to risk in performance, and the body is less easily fooled than one might believe.

eric chan
(bearbreeder) - F
luv long time on 07/13/2011 11:38:45 MDT Print View

when im going for 12+ hours of straight climbing ... gatorade or some other drink with tons of calories definitely helps me ...

water alone wont do it especially if on the face under the summer sun ...

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
absolutely on 07/13/2011 11:45:17 MDT Print View

When I am doing a very long dayhike, I carry one bottle of water, and one bottle of Gatorade. If I am only thirsty, I drink the water. If I am only tired, I drink the Gatorade. By the end of the day, I've consumed about 50-50.

--B.G.--

spelt the enigmatic
(spelt) - F

Locale: SW/C PA
ick on 07/13/2011 12:24:24 MDT Print View

I agree with Jonah Lerher on this one. Sports drinks are disgusting. I'll get my sugar and salt some other way. Cool beuroscience, though.

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: ick on 07/13/2011 12:26:28 MDT Print View

"Sports drinks are disgusting."

Just like beer, it is an acquired taste.

The whole secret is in never drinking it full strength.

--B.G.--

j lan
(justaddfuel) - F

Locale: MN
Re: The science of Gatorade on 07/13/2011 12:44:50 MDT Print View

I have moved over completely to nuun - http://www.nuun.com/

I am a believer.

Eugene Smith
(Eugeneius) - MLife

Locale: Nuevo Mexico
"The science of Gatorade" on 07/13/2011 12:54:06 MDT Print View

Nuun is good stuff, but way to expensive for everyday use, really a splurge for me.

I run trails in 100F or near temps almost daily during the spring and summer, Gatorade is inexpensive, readily available, and works just fine. I go with the classic Lemon.

I'll usually run with 2 handhelds, fill one up with water, and the other with 2/3 Gatorade, 1/3 water.

At the trailhead after a run, I replenish with water and Gatorade... like I said it's cheap. Not the best tasting for sure, but Eric hit it on the head, after a hard effort, whatever it is you're doing outdoors, anything besides just straight water.

alan barber
(azbarber) - F

Locale: SE
the science of gatorade on 07/13/2011 13:03:51 MDT Print View

Sports drinks are fine for those times when you can't stop to eat, or it's hard to snack while on the move, like running or a cycling race. You need those nutrients and it's hard to get them.

But backpacking? I eat pretty well. And it's easy enough to have some dried banana or salty nuts to snack on while you hike.

The marketing has led everyone to believe that you can't function at a high rate with sports nutrition products. All those nutrients are easily available from food.

If you're doing it for taste, that's fine. I like to take some lemonade powder that has a ton of vitamin C in it just to allow for some variety.

Az

j lan
(justaddfuel) - F

Locale: MN
Re: the science of gatorade on 07/13/2011 14:03:28 MDT Print View

All I need to know about electrolytes is that with an awful hangover some nuun or pedialyte definitely brightens the rest of my day!

spelt the enigmatic
(spelt) - F

Locale: SW/C PA
I dunno on 07/13/2011 14:07:08 MDT Print View

I feel like if a childhood of organized sports didn't give me a taste for it, it's probably not in the cards. :p

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: "The science of Gatorade" on 07/13/2011 14:08:17 MDT Print View

"I go with the classic Lemon."

I'll go for the classic Orange.

A Yosemite ranger friend of mine goes for classic Lime.

We were on a Nepal trek in 1983, and one other person on the trek got sick from Giardia and was treated by a doctor. The treatment is almost as bad as the illness, and the patient lost everything within her gastrointestinal tract within 24 hours. Then the patient was weak as a kitten. So, we gave her Orange Gatorade one day and Lime Gatorade the next day. She hated the stuff and called it "Orange Death" and "Green Death," but she knew that it would keep her alive until her system got back to normal. Three days later, she was standing on top of the high peak, surviving only on Gatorade.

--B.G.--

Mat Tallman
(wehtaM) - F

Locale: Midwest
huh... on 07/13/2011 19:03:25 MDT Print View

I must be the only one who occasionally drinks gatorade for no other reason than enjoyment. Orange or red, I drink both voluntarily for the taste...I must be weird.

a b
(Ice-axe)
Purple zilla-ade on 07/13/2011 19:04:51 MDT Print View

Purple Gatorade mixed 50/50 with Vodka... enough said.

Greg F
(GregF) - F

Locale: Canadian Rockies
Re: Purple zilla-ade on 07/13/2011 20:15:32 MDT Print View

Your carrying too much weight with the vodka. The only acceptable ultralight alcohol is Ever clear.

I perfer spicy tang. 3/4 tang 1/4 everclear.

Sarah Kirkconnell
(sarbar) - F

Locale: In the shadow of Mt. Rainier
Re: The science of Gatorade on 07/13/2011 20:40:59 MDT Print View

Considering how much really bad stuff is in it - and by that I mean a ton of artificial coloring and flavoring - a person would do far better to instead have a cool swig of water and a serving of kettle style potato chips, lightly salted. Potassium, mild sodium and water. It is what you need.

eric chan
(bearbreeder) - F
chips ahoy!!! on 07/13/2011 22:04:34 MDT Print View

chips are exactly the healthiest thing either

nor can you eat em easily while climbing ... and they make u more thirsty

it all depends what you are doing ...

if youre just trotting along on a nice trail ... or going to do a workout at the gym ... gatorade prob aint gonna do anything for ya ... i dont use it when i climb at the gym

however for a full day of constant climbing under the summer sun where you are sweating like a pig ...

gator juice or the equivalent is a godsend ... im humping 3+ litres of water anyways up the climb ... might as well make sure its full of those nasty calories

i will tell you that 20+ pitches on bread and water aint fun ...

Sarah Kirkconnell
(sarbar) - F

Locale: In the shadow of Mt. Rainier
Re: chips ahoy!!! on 07/14/2011 09:46:05 MDT Print View

Not going to disagree with that - except there are better choices out there and you can DIY with faux-Gatorade that isn't full of junk.

Gatorade is popular because it is colorful, flavorful and well marketed. It doesn't mean it is any better than other options.

Kate Magill
(lapedestrienne) - F
mmm, salts on 07/14/2011 13:27:23 MDT Print View

I, like Sarah, am a potato chip fiend. You can find nice kettle cooked chips in just about any gas station.

Also, perhaps nasty-sounding, but surprisingly good (not so much for backpacking, but just for electrolyte snacking on daytrips: salty bananas! Just peanut butter (the kind that's only peanuts) and some mild miso paste and spread it on a banana... mmm... Come to think of it, if you used miso powder and those banana chips, this would make a pretty good backpacking snack!

Of course, the cream of all electrolyte beverages is fresh coconut water... Which comes in cans and tetra packs and even a handy powder form (google CocoHydro). I just discovered the powder--not as good as the fresh stuff, but great for travel. A definite splurge item but beats Emergen-C, my other favorite drink-mix, hands down.

Sarah Kirkconnell
(sarbar) - F

Locale: In the shadow of Mt. Rainier
Re: mmm, salts on 07/14/2011 14:57:53 MDT Print View

Oh yeah, coconut water. Wow. Awesome stuff! Costco is carrying it now in the tetra-paks. Great for keeping in the car at the TH if one is feeling pretty worn out on a long day back to the car in summer.

Mmmmm....tortillas with PB and bananas. Drizzled with honey and granola.

Mike M
(mtwarden) - MLife

Locale: Montana
gatorade on 07/14/2011 21:07:37 MDT Print View

I carry a 1/2 liter platy just for gatorade- 1/2 liter in the am around 10-ish and another in the pm around 3-ish, something I always looking forward- especially when it's hot

I'm confident I'd survive w/o it, but it will continue to have a place in my pack- I prefer the lemon-lime, my wife likes the punch, I like the orange too but for some reason don't see it for sale any longer

never heard of nuun, might have to give it a go :)

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: gatorade on 07/14/2011 21:15:30 MDT Print View

"I like the orange too but for some reason don't see it for sale any longer"

I bought it all up on my last trip to Montana.

--B.G.--

Mike M
(mtwarden) - MLife

Locale: Montana
orange gone on 07/14/2011 21:25:47 MDT Print View

geez- thanks Bob! :)

I did a quick search and it is available online, I'll ask my grocer if they can get some in (assuming they can as they carry the individual packs of lemon-lime and fruit punch)

j lan
(justaddfuel) - F

Locale: MN
Re: orange gone on 07/15/2011 15:07:53 MDT Print View

They sell the orange gatorade in powdered form at most groceries.

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Re: orange gone on 07/15/2011 15:10:33 MDT Print View

Powdered. I think that is what we've been discussing.

Lots of outdoor people buy the powdered form in a 3-pound can.

--B.G.--

Sarah Kirkconnell
(sarbar) - F

Locale: In the shadow of Mt. Rainier
Re: orange gone on 07/15/2011 15:22:05 MDT Print View

Yep, Costco.

Mike M
(mtwarden) - MLife

Locale: Montana
packets on 07/15/2011 15:48:05 MDT Print View

I buy the ones in the packets (8 to a box), they're meant to mix w/ a 1/2 liter- no doubt cheaper if I purchased them in a large container (but not easier :))

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: packets on 07/15/2011 15:54:13 MDT Print View

Yes, the packets are handy, but they are expensive for what you get. I keep one of those packets in my emergency stash deep down inside my daypack.

The old quart-size packets were better, but I haven't seen them in a while.

I still take my 3-pound can of powder and dump some in a ziploc bag.

--B.G.--

Mike M
(mtwarden) - MLife

Locale: Montana
Re: Re: packets on 07/15/2011 16:09:37 MDT Print View

^ agreed- I can save a little coin by buying a case (8 boxes) of the packet ones, probably still no where as cheap as buying a large can though

I tend to splurge a little more on backpacking fare then I do at home (starbucks via being a good example) :)

Sarah Kirkconnell
(sarbar) - F

Locale: In the shadow of Mt. Rainier
Re: Re: Re: packets on 07/15/2011 23:34:01 MDT Print View

For those who can't find the 4 serving quart sizes:
http://www.minimus.biz/Gatorade-Lemon-Lime-F20-2315101-7200.aspx
http://www.minimus.biz/Gatorade-Fruit-Punch-F20-2315103-7200.aspx
http://www.minimus.biz/Gatorade-Riptide-Rush-F20-2315104-7200.aspx

Dustin Short
(upalachango) - MLife
Interesting on 07/24/2011 10:53:48 MDT Print View

The author makes a good point though about the central governor model and giving up when there is no reward. I've on several occasion been "at my limit" and utterly exhausted. But given the option of an emergency bivy in cold weather or two more hours of trudging through the dark on "dead" legs...I always seem to make it back to my warm car.

As for gatorade. I love it. It needs to be diluted usually, but after mixing it at least in a 2:1 ratio gatorade to water I'm good to go.

John S.
(jshann) - F
Re: Interesting on 07/24/2011 11:43:00 MDT Print View

Anybody ever heard of nondiluted gatorade causing stomach distress?

I'm not sure if I believe a story once told about it causing that, but thought I'd ask those who use it if they ever get stomach problems from drinking alot of nondiluted gatorade.

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Re: Interesting on 07/24/2011 11:46:27 MDT Print View

"Anybody ever heard of nondiluted gatorade causing stomach distress?"

I have a stomach acid problem, and full-strength Gatorade will make it worse. I generally dilute it 50-50.

--B.G.--

Dustin Short
(upalachango) - MLife
Re: Re: Interesting on 07/24/2011 11:59:01 MDT Print View

Depending on how much I've had to eat or just how strenuous I'm working, and how much I drink, full strength can upset my stomach. The worst case scenario is little food, intense physical effort, lots of gatorade in a short time. This probably parallels B.G.'s stomach acid issues.

Jacob D
(JacobD) - F

Locale: North Bay
Blue stuff on 07/29/2011 15:43:28 MDT Print View

Call me crazy but I actually think the blue Gatorade is pretty tasty... unfortunately never seen it in powder form. The only other flavors I can drink are classic orange and green. The rest is just way to sweet, makes me gag just thinking about it [gag]


BTW, it's also hard on teeth according to my dentist and the stuff actually eats up stainless steel pretty rapidly as well. It has to be processed by components made of special alloys (so it's probably not a surprise that it's hard on those with stomach issues too)

Edited by JacobD on 07/29/2011 15:46:58 MDT.

Monty Montana
(TarasBulba) - MLife

Locale: Rocky Mountains
New: The other "ade" on 07/29/2011 23:42:08 MDT Print View

I've been an ardent proponent of Gatorade for years and like it somewhat diluted, as others have mentioned. A few years back it was rated by sports nutritionists as just as effective at rehydration as much more expensive sports drinks...and I can always find it on sale somewhere. However, this spring Powerade was on sale - the advanced electrolyte Powerade - for about $3.69 for a 1 lb can, which will mix up 2 gal. While Gatorade has only sodium, Powerade has sodium, potassium, calcium and magnesium, all electrolytes lost in sweat. But this "ade", too, I prefer a bit diluted, as I don't have much of a sweet tooth. By the way, Powerade has only 13 g sugar compared to about 20 g in Gatorade. Try some, you might like it!

Walter Carrington
(Snowleopard) - M

Locale: Mass.
Re: Blue stuff on 07/30/2011 06:56:08 MDT Print View

"Call me crazy but I actually think the blue Gatorade is pretty tasty... unfortunately never seen it in powder form." I've got the blue gatorade in powder and it verges on gross. I can tolerate the blue in bottles. I think I'll stick to the orange powder when I can find it.

Jake D
(JakeDatc) - F

Locale: Bristol,RI
blue on 09/20/2011 21:11:51 MDT Print View

Check walmart. they might not have it in the big can but they usually have it in the smaller plastic "jars". our grocery stores usually only have the smaller ones.

Gatorade does their taste testing and stuff with people at various degrees of exercise. Cycling i use more diluted then when i'm hiking or rock climbing.

I've started using NUUN on longer rides when i need to refill bottles. It's definitely more pricey and i try to get it when it's on sale. for those using sealed bottles. it's fizzy so either let it dissolve all the way and let some of the bubbles out or be aware of it when you open the cap :)

For me i like some sort of flavoring since i will drink more water that way than plain.

Don Morris
(hikermor) - F
Stomach upset and Gatorade on 09/27/2011 18:02:51 MDT Print View

I have had an upset stomach drinking Gatorade when doing long runs (15-20 miles). Not so much of a problem when hiking, but I generally cut it 50-50 with water.

Erik Basil
(EBasil) - M

Locale: Atzlan
Look to the sugars on 09/28/2011 07:18:26 MDT Print View

The "thing" with Gatorade is the sucrose. If you look to the more advanced and expensive electrolyte drinks (which are typically powdered), you'll find that in addition to a host of different salts and such, they use more complex sugars that are more effectively burned and less likely to produce stomach upset. No surprise that full strength Gatorade will upset some hikers stomachs...you should see what it does for runners and cyclists.

Gatorade is fine if it works for you. There are much better products out there, however. Some are listed here in the thread.

Personally, I use one that the US Olympic coaches had their athletes using, after they tested it for effectiveness and vetted it for ingredients that could foul a blood test (it's not just 'roids that can bounce results), when an Olympic rower worked for me while she trained for Sydney: Cytomax. I actually like the orange, since it tastes like Tang but works gooderer. We've been using it in our family for years, mixed a little light, and now carry the powder on trail, too.

John S.
(jshann) - F
Re: Look to the sugars on 09/28/2011 08:28:37 MDT Print View

I figured it was the sugar causing GI upset with full strength gatorade, but another was attempting to tell me it was the sodium levels.

j lan
(justaddfuel) - F

Locale: MN
Re: Re: Look to the sugars on 09/28/2011 08:55:54 MDT Print View

Pedialyte mixed 50/50 with water is far superior and readily available. It's what rockstars use for all their boozin. There are spanish label versions of this stuff for a dollar or two cheaper.

Doh! I already posted pedialyte in this thread. Sorry for the double, But i do see they make powder packs now.

Edited by justaddfuel on 09/28/2011 08:58:55 MDT.

Joe Clement
(skinewmexico) - MLife

Locale: Southwest
The science of Gatorade on 09/28/2011 10:23:19 MDT Print View

Gatorade taste just bugs me after too long, so I've gone to S-Caps and water. If I need sugar, I eat something.

Eugene Smith
(Eugeneius) - MLife

Locale: Nuevo Mexico
the "ades" on 09/28/2011 10:33:04 MDT Print View

+1 on the other "ade", the full spectrum of electrolytes puts it a notch above Gatorade. Any of those powdered electrolyte drinks that contain maltodextrin (Heed, Gu Brew) work better for me on the long runs, but they come at a cost over the cheaper "Ade" drinks so are rarely bought. All the races I run usually stock aid stations with all the expensive goodies, Gatorade is nowhere to be found.

Salt tablets like S-Caps seem like a better option than carrying around Gatorade powder on hikes, but you don't get that filtered water flavor maskimg if that's partially what you're after.

Piper S.
(sbhikes) - F

Locale: Santa Barbara (Name: Diane)
Re: the "ades" on 09/28/2011 11:19:35 MDT Print View

I do not like to drink sugary drinks in general. I tend to drink a diet or low-sugar drink instead just to make the water more palatable and if I need energy I eat something. I haven't gotten far enough into running to know how to handle that, however.

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Re: the "ades" on 09/28/2011 11:58:19 MDT Print View

I've seen too many hikers with a thirst problem. They don't get thirsty enough, or at least there is poor perception of thirst. As a result, they get somewhat dehydrated before they do anything about it. As a result of dehydration, they get muscle cramps and weakness.

By adding a little something to your water, you can work around this. If it is purely electrolytes, then that will cause the water to stay in the muscle tissues better. If it is purely sugars, it will just give you quick energy. Maybe you want just a touch of both. The flavor will encourage you to drink it even if you don't think you are that thirsty.

--B.G.--

Mike M
(mtwarden) - MLife

Locale: Montana
Gatorade v Powerade on 10/01/2011 19:41:39 MDT Print View

it was wrongly stated that Gatorade doesn't have Potassium- it does (little more than Powerade actually), what it does have is about twice the Sodium though- which evidently some think is pretty important

gatorade vs powerade

Edited by mtwarden on 10/01/2011 19:44:56 MDT.

Tom Kirchner
(ouzel) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest/Sierra
Re: Re: Re: Look to the sugars on 10/01/2011 20:50:26 MDT Print View

"Doh! I already posted pedialyte in this thread. Sorry for the double, But i do see they make powder packs now."

If you are interested in Pedialyte, a much cheaper option is to buy oral rehydration salts from Jianis Brothers. They sell the official WHO rehydration formula used to rehydrate cholera/dysentery victims in ~1.1 oz packets. The formula is a combo of glucose, sodium compounds and potassium compounds. I used it for years, diluted to half strength and flavored with Crystal Lite. It works very well, but I have since switched to a 2 bottle system: one bottle of Perpetuem and one of plain water with Morton's Lite salt(1 liter with 3-4 grams of Morton's).

Eugene Smith
(Eugeneius) - MLife

Locale: Nuevo Mexico
"The science of Gatorade" on 10/01/2011 21:02:41 MDT Print View

Perpetuem contains a significant amount of sodium and potassium, why the addition of Morton's salt in bottle #2?

Tom Kirchner
(ouzel) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest/Sierra
Re: "The science of Gatorade" on 10/02/2011 17:51:29 MDT Print View

"Perpetuem contains a significant amount of sodium and potassium, why the addition of Morton's salt in bottle #2?"

The sodium(220 mg) is significant but not adequate for me over the course of 4 hours working hard at elevations around 11,000'. The potassium(75 mg) is insignificant in the context of an RDA of 3000 mg/day. The qualifier here is that 2 packets of Perpetuem are all I eat between breakfast and dinner, relying on body fat for the rest of my calories. The Morton's Lite salt provides ~370 mg of potassium and 280 mg of sodium per 1/4 tsp, and I add 1/4 tsp to a liter of water, which last me ~4 hours. I use 2 liters on a typical day, which provides ~740 mg of potassium and 560 mg of sodium in addition to that provided by the Perpetuem, enough to almost completely eliminate the cramps I used to get. YMMV.

Delmar O'Donnell
(Bolster)

Locale: Between Jacinto & Gorgonio
BFM Says on 07/31/2013 10:52:39 MDT Print View

From the interesting link posted above:

"Viewed scientifically, the differences between Gatorade and Powerade are small, with neither beverage appearing clearly superior to the other."

Rehydration solution recommended The Backpacker's Field Manual p. 329:

1/4 t salt
1/4 t baking soda
4 t sugar or honey
1 qt/L water

BFM also states: "Sports replacement drinks like Gatorade are too high in carbohydrates and should not be used for cases of severe dehydration."

Greg Mihalik
(greg23) - M

Locale: Colorado
Re: The science of Gatorade on 07/31/2013 14:47:12 MDT Print View

" The science of Gatorade"

Even on a 2 year old thread, it still reads like an oxymoron.

Roger Caffin
(rcaffin) - BPL Staff - MLife

Locale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe
Re: The science of Gatorade ??????? on 07/31/2013 16:08:55 MDT Print View

There is no science involved, just marketing.

Cheers

Richard Reno
(scubahhh) - M

Locale: White Mountains, mostly.
Cytomax? on 07/31/2013 18:27:16 MDT Print View

Fire away!

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Cytomax? on 07/31/2013 23:19:39 MDT Print View

Actually, I kind of like Cytomax. More importantly, I take a variety of these drink powders. When I tire of one flavor, I try another, then another. On a week-long trip, I probably go through 10 ounces of Gatorade, Cytomax, Powerade, Vitalyte, and my own custom-mixed stuff (maltodextrin, electrolytes, and a bit of flavor).

If I am walking downhill, I drink mostly water. If it is moderate uphill, then I drink half-strength sports drinks. If it is steep uphill, then I go to the straight stuff.

--B.G.--

Desert Dweller
(Drusilla)

Locale: Wild Wild West
Gatorade on 08/01/2013 07:14:00 MDT Print View

As a former endurance athlete I can testify that my observations of overuse and improper or no cutting of Gatorade with water has enabled me to witness more cases of mid-race and post race severe hypoglycemia than I care to remember. I don't touch the stuff. Plain, balanced electrolytes and as much water as you can drink periodically throughout the day and good nutrition is more than adequate for extended periods of high exertion.

Mark S
(gixer) - F
Re: BFM Says on 08/04/2013 16:53:50 MDT Print View

Dehydration is a real worry here in Greece during the summer months, i've tried several specialist drinks but either end up with a bad tummy or end up with the signs of dehydration.

Started making my own hydration mix and have found it to be better than anything store bought.

I just use a pinch of salt and a small cup of fresh orange juice (non sweetened) per litre of water.

Don't bother with any sugar as i tend to pack for a food stop around half way, also have a bag of mixed nuts and raisins in my rucksack pocket if i feel i'm running low on energy.

Bob Dromgoole
(lowebyrrd)
The, ahem, cough cough, Science of Gatorade on 08/16/2013 13:15:23 MDT Print View

"Caution, Rant Ahead"...
The 'science' of Gatorade is greed based. All about $. That's it! There is no nutritional science involved. If there is, it is very flawed and they need new 'Scientists'
I don't understand why all these nature lovers want to buy such a highly processed and toxic product containing such nasty stuff. IE..artificial colors are generally considered to be neurotoxins (among many other issues), yellow #5 is implicated in asthmatic reactions. The list of problems with artificial colors goes on and on... The sugar is largely High Fructose corn syrup, Google that and see how healthy your Gatorade is!!

"Like other sugary drinks on the market today, Gatorade uses brominated vegetable oil (BVO). BVO, used to increase fluidity and uniformity, is also used to create lead dissolving additives for gasoline, photographic paper films, fire-extinguishing materials, and agricultural fumigants. And if that wasn’t a call for alarm, more than 100 countries have outlawed the substance altogether."

Supposedly they recently removed this ingredient, but how can you trust a company (Pepsico) that would use it in the 1st place?? And why would one want to support Pepsico, destroyers of health worldwide?!

Also the sodium/potassium balance is all wrong for proper electrolyte usage by the body. There is WAY to much sodium. There should be aprox 3;1 ratio of potassium to sodium, Gatorade is about the opposite, this is not good for proper hydration!
"An example of an inorganic substance is table salt. It is simply sodium and chloride. No enzymes, thus it is enzymatically inactive and the body cannot use it. Our bodies cannot attach an enzyme to inorganic substances (minerals), except at great cost to our health."

We all here want to go light, well what about our impact on the Earth herself? Do we not want a light footprint here too?? Supporting mega-corps is NOT helping!! Pepsico is destroying the very health and well being of peoples worldwide and the planet to boot.

To make my own, much better electrolyte drink. I prefer citrus (for potassium) and a 'small' pinch of Himalayan Pink Salt, (lot's of good minerals for the body). (table salt used by Gator is extremely bad for the body, and provides no nutrition and actually DE-hydrates at the levels contained therein) And a bit of honey. (also very nutritious compared to the sucrose/glucose/corn syrup sweetener of death)....

Some basic sodium info... "It is like this. Sodium is an important mineral in the body as it is responsible for sending the message from the brain to muscles through the nervous system so that your body will move its muscles on command. When you want to move your arm or any muscle in the body, the brain sends a message to a sodium molecule who passes it to a potassium molecule and then back to a sodium molecule etc., etc., until it gets to its final destination and the muscle moves. This is known as the sodium-potassium ion exchange. Therefore without sodium, you would never be able to move one muscle of your body.

Regardless, it is not common table salt that the body needs in order to sustain life. It is sodium. Sodium just happens to be an element in common table salt which is known as sodium chloride and that is where the confusion exists. Therefore, salt is not a necessary compound in order for the body to survive, but rather sodium is the necessary life sustaining element. Ironically, sodium is found in all plants so you are getting plenty of sodium everyday without even realizing it every time you eat a food that comes from a plant."

"An example of an inorganic substance is table salt. It is simply sodium and chloride. No enzymes, thus it is enzymatically inactive and the body cannot use it. Our bodies cannot attach an enzyme to inorganic substances (minerals), except at great cost to our health."

OK, I better stop. Here's to yer health!

Tom Kirchner
(ouzel) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest/Sierra
Re: The, ahem, cough cough, Science of Gatorade on 08/16/2013 14:20:56 MDT Print View

"OK, I better stop."

Amen to that, brother, amen to that.

That said, I did find your discourse on enzymes to be most entertaining. ;0)

Bob Dromgoole
(lowebyrrd)
re on 08/16/2013 15:15:52 MDT Print View

I did warn ya...
Well thanks for reading through it! haha.
Hydration is a crucial issue, just tryin' to help! (or at least encourage further research)

Edited by lowebyrrd on 08/16/2013 15:17:48 MDT.

Tom Kirchner
(ouzel) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest/Sierra
Re: re on 08/16/2013 15:21:46 MDT Print View

"I did warn ya...
Well thanks for reading through it! haha."

Hey, we're all bozo's on this bus. Welcome to the party. ;0))

You're right about hydration being crucial, for sure. Have you read Kevin Sawchuck's recent BPL article on the subject? He's a relatively rare combination of physician and ultra runner, and his article is worth a look.

Bob Dromgoole
(lowebyrrd)
The science of Gatorade on 08/16/2013 15:41:16 MDT Print View

Yep, definitely on that bus...
I don't have the cred's to view that article, Thanks though, might have to ante up.

Tom Kirchner
(ouzel) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest/Sierra
Re: The science of Gatorade on 08/16/2013 19:56:11 MDT Print View

"Thanks though, might have to ante up."

It's worth considering. There are a number of good articles that are, unfortunately, for members only, and Sawchucks is one of them.

Another benefit of being a full member is that you don't have to sit in the back of the bus. ;o)

Joseph Brody
(Killroy1999)
Gatorade Makes Me Vomit on 08/28/2013 21:30:42 MDT Print View

On a couple of occasions, after a long hot bike ride, I thought that a cold Gatorade would revive me, but I ended up vomiting instead. Maybe I was too far gone of dehydration already, but it was the last straw.

Jake D
(JakeDatc) - F

Locale: Bristol,RI
Re: Gatorade Makes Me Vomit on 08/28/2013 21:47:01 MDT Print View

I find that lighter drinks work much better while going hard. NUUN is my favorite at the moment for biking. Chocolate milk for afterward.. tour pro's swear by it...

for hiking i like crystal light powder or the store brand version (they says for 16.9oz bottle but i do 1 liter and it's still a bit strong)