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patrick walsh
(apbt1976) - F
Re: Re: Buy the Newest, Lightest, Shiniest Gear Or You Could Die on 06/23/2011 17:37:18 MDT Print View

Yup buy what you wanna buy, use what you wanna use how you wanna use it. And for Christ sakes stop worrying about what your dam neighbor is up too!!

Gary Dunckel
(Zia-Grill-Guy) - MLife

Locale: Boulder
Spelling issue on 06/23/2011 17:46:32 MDT Print View

Actually, Diane had it right---the word is "poseur" and not "poser." Feel free to check your Webster's. In the interest of a encouraging a more literate hiking crowd...

Randy Nelson
(rlnunix) - F - M

Locale: Rockies
Poser on 06/23/2011 18:16:18 MDT Print View

"Actually, Diane had it right---the word is "poseur" and not "poser." Feel free to check your Webster's. In the interest of a encouraging a more literate hiking crowd..."

I don't know Gary. Maybe in high society places like Boulder where French is spoken. Up here in the Conifer hood we go with poser. (If I, as a semi-literate, used poseur in this case would I be a poseur?) :)



From websters.com (actually dictionary.reference.com once the link is resolved):

:poser definition

n.
someone who pretends to belong to a group only by affecting the attributes of the group.

Edited by rlnunix on 06/23/2011 18:16:55 MDT.

David Adair
(DavidAdair) - M

Locale: West Dakota
Re: Re: Re: Buy the Newest, Lightest, Shiniest Gear Or You Could Die on 06/23/2011 18:22:51 MDT Print View

I think Rumsfeld put it this way: "As you know, you go hiking with the gear you have. Its not the gear you might want or wish to have at a later time."

Can't be too ready though!

eric chan
(bearbreeder) - F
posing on 06/23/2011 19:31:55 MDT Print View

well i actually think that "posing" is kinda dangerous for yourself and yr partner in some situations

not having the right skills, yet believing that the gear will get your through can be a bad combination

this is especially true when climbing ... yes there are certain times when a bit of extra gear can allow you to protect certain sections .. but you better know how and be experienced at using it ... or youll be putting yrself and yr partner in dange

im quite weary of new partners showing up with lots of brand new shiny expensive gear ... i often find myself leading every pitch when that happens and moving quite slowly

just my observation ...

Gary Dunckel
(Zia-Grill-Guy) - MLife

Locale: Boulder
Poser, poseur... on 06/23/2011 22:58:10 MDT Print View

Who cares? Oxford says one thing, Webster's another, and then there's yours. I still think Diane used the right spelling. I say we all stop worrying about what everybody else is doing and just go hike or something. In my case, right now, I'm going to bed. By the way, Conifer, CO is certainly no backwoods mountain town, and Boulder isn't all THAT cool (French isn't widely spoken here).

Erik Dietz
(erikdtz)

Locale: Los Angeles
posing? on 06/23/2011 23:15:11 MDT Print View

I work in a music store and we sell a pretty wide range of instruments, some beginner type of stuff and more recently a lot of high end Martins and Fenders. We get our fair share of guys who like to come in every week and talk about music/bands/instruments/gear and the fact is they can't play that well nor will we make much money off of them. However, it's their way of enjoying the music and instrument scene so I try to not let it bother me. Who are we to say that the way we participate in music or backpacking or whatever is better than anyone else? And to be honest, who really cares? If you're enjoying yourself, that's all that matters.

David Adair
(DavidAdair) - M

Locale: West Dakota
Re: Poser on 06/23/2011 23:47:16 MDT Print View

"If I, as a semi-literate, used poseur in this case would I be a poseur?"

hmm...I think the man makes a good point. Pretty funny too.

If misspelling "poseur" irks you, the perpetual confusion about the proper use of "weighs" vs "weights" must have you pulling hair out.

Daniel Fosse
(magillagorilla) - F

Locale: Southwest Ohio
Re: posing on 06/24/2011 08:59:45 MDT Print View

Ugg, I feel like I'm in middle school. I want street cred from the cool kids. Everyone knows the girls like fastpackers. Car campers are total posers. OMG, have you played Xbox Extreme Backpacking CDT Challenge?

eric chan
(bearbreeder) - F
middle school on 06/24/2011 09:28:40 MDT Print View

if ya feel like u are ya must be ;)

nothing wrong with people with plenty of gear ... as long as they know how to use it and actually use it, and dont think it makes you any "better" a climber or person ... hell i got quite a bit myself

fortunately (or unfortunately) im wearing it out at quite a pace now ... my last dead bird pack lasted a whole month ...

Tohru Ohnuki
(erdferkel) - F

Locale: S. California
Re: posing on 06/24/2011 14:12:11 MDT Print View

"well i actually think that "posing" is kinda dangerous for yourself and yr partner in some situations"

Exactly. I ran into a guy the other weekend on a local mountain who had a ice axe strapped to his pack. When I asked him about it he said he was going to 'do Whitney' and he heard he needed one. No training, no experience, just bought it and strapped it to his pack. He was also patching himself up from taking a spill on the easy class 2 and had broken his trekking pole in the process...

@Randy, touché, yeah appearances are deceiving. I suppose having older beat up gear implies lots of trail experience, but not the reverse (shiny new gear implies lack thereof.)

HK Newman
(hknewman) - MLife

Locale: Western US
Buy the Newest, Lightest, Shiniest Gear Or You Could Die on 06/24/2011 16:06:23 MDT Print View

An adult should be able to wear whatever they want as long as it doesn't scare small children. More $ for outdoors companies to keep them competing to create the next wonder fabric, unique frame, etc... to get more $$. Everything mass-produced eventually goes on sale.

Add: As for the squatters at the Phoenix REI, the employees should have wondered if they were really after only gear talk or if there were ulterior motives (benign or otherwise). Spending an entire day shopping at REI ... makes my head hurt.

Edited by hknewman on 06/24/2011 16:09:40 MDT.

Tom Kirchner
(ouzel) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest/Sierra
Re: Re: posing on 06/24/2011 19:32:39 MDT Print View

"@Randy, touché, yeah appearances are deceiving. I suppose having older beat up gear implies lots of trail experience, but not the reverse (shiny new gear implies lack thereof.)"

There are all kinds of poseurs, posers, whatever. Some will buy old beat up gear to look experienced, just like others will buy brand new gear thinking "image is everything". It is also worth remembering that all gear was once new and shiny. I personally have no problem whatsoever with carrying a brand new, shiny piece of gear, secure in the knowledge that it won't stay that way long, and in any case has nothing to do with my experience level, or lack of it. People can think what they want to think and I could give a rat's a$$.

Randy Nelson
(rlnunix) - F - M

Locale: Rockies
posers on 06/25/2011 18:40:59 MDT Print View

Thanks guys, looks like the Pinnacle is back in the rotation! :)

Piper S.
(sbhikes) - F

Locale: Santa Barbara (Name: Diane)
Re: Spelling issue on 07/03/2011 18:47:42 MDT Print View

I thought poseur was a bike term...I didn't realize it was French. I guess you can spell something correctly and still be stupid!

Erik Basil
(EBasil) - M

Locale: Atzlan
Insight from the Great White North on 07/06/2011 14:17:19 MDT Print View

"Don't be such a hoseur, eh?"

--Doug McKenzie

:) So, I love how crusty and old my Kelty Tioga looks, because it gives me an excuse to rest and justification for the 7 gram, beryllium tent poles I paid for...

Having just recently broken down and begun buying gear to replace stuff that "hasn't even worn out", I have to admit it's fun having shiny new things and I don't mind at all when a buddy gets all "old school" on me with his Whisperlite or something. It neither whispers nor is light, right? Been there, done that, diggin' the shiny new stuff.

Adrian MITCHELL
(adie.mitchell)

Locale: Northwest Mass
reopening an old debate on 11/19/2011 09:49:03 MST Print View

I am a self acknowledged gear head. I am obsessed with gear (specifically making my own). I can honestly say, though, that I think I get (literally) three times as much pleasure out of the way I function, than if I wasn't at all concerned with gear. I get the entertainment of researching and planning, then I get the fun of designing and making, and then to crown it all off, I get the joy of using it!

Confession of an MYOGear-head!

Reginald Donaldson
(worth) - MLife

Locale: Wind River Range
My mentor's gear on 11/23/2011 18:22:58 MST Print View

I get a kick out of comparing my gear against my friend and mentor. He has been doing the outdoors thing longer than I have, about 20 years. His stuff is old, worn, faded, dented, and sometimes heavier. He is retired and quite a bit of it is patched or homemade. Back when I was just getting started, I purchased quite a bit of new high tech stuff. Sometimes it worked well, sometimes it failed during the trip and sometimes I just did not need it. Over the years, I have develope an appreciation for his old gear and have become wiser on my needs and purchases. Even to this day, I enjoy seeing what he pulls out of his pack.

Henk Smees
(theflyingdutchman) - MLife

Locale: Spanish Mountains
MYOG-Head on 11/24/2011 02:50:22 MST Print View

>"I get (literally) three times as much pleasure ..... I get the entertainment of researching and planning, then I get the fun of designing and making, and then to crown it all off, I get the joy of using it!"<

+1

Gabriel Diaz
(freelancer) - F

Locale: South Florida
I see this in every field.... on 11/27/2011 09:09:24 MST Print View

As a photographer, and a motorcyclist, I've seen the "gear is everything" attitude at its extremes. I find people who are too wrapped up in gear to be very boring, at least in photography. Photographs are about stories, not cameras. But everyone is in it for different reasons. Sometimes, if you learn to listen, the gearheads can teach you some neat things. Get past the differences and see what you can learn from each other, then everyone goes on their way, in their own way.

On shiny vs. worn, for whatever reason I have a very specific preference for stuff that looks well used. I mean, I buy used to save money, and prefer that it looks quite shiny and almost-new when I pull it out of the box, but I know it won't stay that way after I've had a go with it, and I don't mind that at all. I think it's the George Lucas "Star Wars" mentality, where all the hardware looks more realistic if it's got some battle scars on it. I don't know, lol. But I have a saying, I can't use what I can't abuse.

I beat up on my gear, from cameras to outdoor wares to tools for my bike. I keep my camera as decent-looking as I can because of the need to upgrade digital bodies every few years, and the bike, though mostly unwashed, stays dent-free, but for most all else it almost feels like it's not mine until there's a mudstain on it, or a little gouge here and there. You know, something that gives it... a story. My own story.

Edited by freelancer on 11/27/2011 09:09:56 MST.