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Hamilton Moore
(moorehd) - F
Snakes and Such on 11/22/2006 23:20:55 MST Print View

Chuckawalla

Tortise

snake

Edited by moorehd on 11/22/2006 23:23:24 MST.

paul johnson
(pj) - F

Locale: LazyBoy in my Den - miss the forest
Re: Snakes and Such on 11/23/2006 05:55:31 MST Print View

great pics. thanks for sharing.

Hamilton Moore
(moorehd) - F
Sheep and Such on 11/23/2006 10:09:48 MST Print View

Mountain Sheep

Bill Fornshell
(bfornshell) - MLife

Locale: Southern Texas
Sheep and Such on 11/23/2006 10:33:00 MST Print View

Edited by bfornshell on 11/23/2006 10:33:48 MST.

Hamilton Moore
(moorehd) - F
Mountain Sheep on 11/23/2006 19:47:49 MST Print View

More Snake


Mountain Sheep Ram on Ridge

Edited by moorehd on 11/23/2006 19:52:38 MST.

Hamilton Moore
(moorehd) - F
White Tailed Kite? on 11/23/2006 19:57:44 MST Print View

White Tailed kITE IN nEVADA?

paul johnson
(pj) - F

Locale: LazyBoy in my Den - miss the forest
Re: White Tailed Kite? on 11/24/2006 01:49:18 MST Print View

Loggerhead Shrike (aka "Butcher Bird" - sorry, i don't recall the taxonomic name) more likely. It appears that the mask meets over the bill, so, if i'm not mistaken on this point, it wouldn't be a Northern Shrike (whose mask stops at the bill). I'm not sure where you took the pic, but geographical location could also possibly rule out the Northern Shrike.

White-tailed Kite is a much larger bird of prey with an all white head and no mask, IIRC. Shrikes are actually in the order Passeriformes which comprises the many common small perching birds/song birds we see every day.

Shrikes have the habit of impaling their prey on thorns and barb wire. They take insects and even small birds.

Sorry, i don't remember much more as it has been over 30yrs since i've had any Ornithology courses. Maybe someone more current can give you more info.

Edited by pj on 11/24/2006 02:45:37 MST.

Hamilton Moore
(moorehd) - F
Shrike on 11/24/2006 10:29:03 MST Print View

I agree this bird looks like a shrike but my estimation of its size was about 17"-2.5 feet. I am familiar with shrikes and agree this looks like one but I think it was too big. Any other thoughts? I have already thought of the obvious which is my perspective was off.

paul johnson
(pj) - F

Locale: LazyBoy in my Den - miss the forest
Re: Shrike on 11/24/2006 10:42:26 MST Print View

17", hmmm...that's probably almost 2x as long as a Shrike (i'm assuming 17" is the length & 30" is the wingspan - not sure the proportions are right, or did you mean it was b/t 17" and 30" in length, or is that the wingspan? i'm quite confused now). So, it can't be a Shrike if it was that long, but it sure looks like one. Normally, kites have deep set eyes with a ridge over them. Sometimes the recessed areas around the eyes and under the ridge can appear darker, either from shadows or from an actual darker coloration. Occasionally, the head can be a bit grayish on the top and back instead of all pure white. Still, even taking all this into consideration, i first felt that it was a Loggerhead Shrike (it looks so much like one), but now with the size as you stated, it simply can't be one. I think that 17" might be just a bit long for even a White-tailed Kite, but i'm not sure since it has been so long since i studied birds.

Did you see it hover in flight, looking down trying to spot prey or home in on moving prey that it spotted? Kites can do this when they're hunting. I don't remember the wing markings that might help identify it as a Kite. Oh,...did it soar with its wings in a dihedral (similar to a Turkey Vulture's soaring)? White-tailed Kites can soar in this fashion.

Let me think on this. Where was the pic taken?

Edited by pj on 11/24/2006 11:09:06 MST.

Hamilton Moore
(moorehd) - F
a two foot shrike? on 11/24/2006 11:16:49 MST Print View

The photo was taken at about 4200 feet in the Little Red rocks section of the Red Rock area along the eastern front of the Spring Mountains about 15 miles east of Downtown Las Vegas, NV.

A local birder agrees with you. I did not see the bird in flight as it just sat there until I had to move on. It was about 100 yards from me up high on on the top of a red rock butte.

Looking back though my bird books I have to admit this bird looks like the textbook example of a shrike. It is definitely not a white tailed kite as the kite has grey wings when seen pearched. Must be my judgment of the length from tail to head at 17" to 2.5 feet was off though I would swear...

Laurie Ann March
(Laurie_Ann) - F

Locale: Ontario, Canada
rattlesnake and spider on 12/06/2006 21:51:01 MST Print View

eastern massasauga rattlesnake

unidentified spider - think it might be some sort of orb-weaver

Hamilton Moore
(moorehd) - F
Kiss me and shake my rattle on 12/06/2006 22:28:00 MST Print View

Looking for a friend?



I'm just a baby on a ridge

paul johnson
(pj) - F

Locale: LazyBoy in my Den - miss the forest
Snakes and spiders, and toitles, oh my! on 12/07/2006 06:03:44 MST Print View

Hamilton, Laurie,

great photos. not sure if you wanted IDs of the species. if so, i can attempt - just need to know location and size (for some critters, time of yr is helpful, as is nearby vegetation and/or nearness to water, and sometimes elevation, but maybe not in these cases).

off the top of my head, it has been over 25yrs since i've seen one, L's serpent looks to be a Massasauga (pattern and coloration - perhaps unique, but i've learned to be cautious in an ID), but i really need a location to be more certain.

i'm wracking my brain on the spider. i should know this. it's in the gray matter somewhere - or, at least it once was. i'm hoping for Family or Genus; species can be difficult except for an expert, or at least difficult for me even yrs ago. If i'm seeing the pedipalps clearly enough, it's a female.

Edited by pj on 12/07/2006 06:11:53 MST.

Hamilton Moore
(moorehd) - F
Identification on 12/07/2006 10:28:26 MST Print View

My photos of the snake are all the same snake. It was taken in the river mountains of southern Nevada in a dry wash about 5am on a hot summer's day. It was lying in wait for a lizard which had caught my gaze until I heard the ominous sound. It is, generically, a diamond back rattler. It may be a mojave green. It was not agressive but then it was not agressive either. If you can identify the exact name of this rattler, that would be great.

The mountain sheep are moutain sheep, the one on the ridge was taken at about 1100 feet in the Southern end of Black Canyon below Hoover Dam. The other was taken on the Arizona side near a tinaja.

The tortise is a desert tortise taken at about 2800 feet on a saddle between two fairly steep ridges, an unusal place, I thought. The location was the RRiver mountains,near Boulder City, Clark County, NV.

The first one I posted is a chuckawalla. They like to be in rock areas like this one where they inflate themselves to keep from being pulled out of the rocks by the preditor. They are the largest lizards, short of the hila monster, in the desert and were eaten by indians who poked a hole in their side, deflating them so they could be extracted and roasted.

I gave the picture a name but it only shows up if you hover over the picture.

Hamilton Moore
(moorehd) - F
Tarantula on 12/07/2006 10:57:54 MST Print View

This photo was taken this November on the West Slope of the Wilson Ridge of the Black Mountains of AZ just East of the Black Canyon of the Colrado below Hoover dam. It was on a gently sloping ridgeTarantuala

Edited by moorehd on 12/13/2006 18:18:58 MST.

paul johnson
(pj) - F

Locale: LazyBoy in my Den - miss the forest
Re: Identification on 12/07/2006 12:20:17 MST Print View

I'm not sure that i can do more than what you already know - Western Diamondback.

Edited by pj on 12/10/2006 14:09:35 MST.

Laurie Ann March
(Laurie_Ann) - F

Locale: Ontario, Canada
Re: rattlesnake and spider on 12/07/2006 17:02:15 MST Print View

Yes it was an Eastern Massassauga that I almost stepped on. I was backpacking on the Bruce Peninsula near Tobermory, Ontario (Canada).

The spider was definitely a lady but what kind she is eludes me.

Edited by Laurie_Ann on 12/07/2006 17:03:12 MST.

Hamilton Moore
(moorehd) - F
Try this tarantula on 12/07/2006 22:03:10 MST Print View

Could not delete

Edited by moorehd on 12/13/2006 18:17:36 MST.

Hamilton Moore
(moorehd) - F
Can't post pictures on 12/07/2006 22:09:29 MST Print View

I give up, I've tried 5 times to post this tarantual including lowering the resolution to near zero without success. The first ones worked so easily...anyone help?

Roman Dial
(romandial) - F - M

Locale: packrafting NZ
Re: Can't post pictures on 12/07/2006 22:12:47 MST Print View

same problem fer me! and why did our BPL ranks plummet -- wa sit 'cause we disagreed with some other poster? ;)