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Tom Clark
(TomClark) - MLife

Locale: East Coast
Kupilka Classic Drinking Vessel on 05/27/2011 21:20:17 MDT Print View

Why is this on BPL? They don't even have a volume (ml) listed.

Kronos Master of Fate
(kthompson) - MLife

Locale: Behind the Redwood Curtain
Re: Kupilka Classic Drinking Vessel on 05/27/2011 21:36:50 MDT Print View

7.1 fluid oz.
2.99 oz. weight
On sale at Campsaver $20.76
Check the review at Hikinginfinland.com
It does seem like a strange addition for the gear shop here, since they are readily available at other places, for less.
It's also a unitasker. Which seems to go against the UL ethos.

Scott Pulver
(Scottp77) - F
Better option on 05/27/2011 22:29:50 MDT Print View

Save the weight, the space, and the money....



NIX - Kupilka

Craig W.
(xnomanx) - F - M
Kupilka Classic Drinking Vessel on 05/27/2011 22:30:15 MDT Print View

I really like the design of these, though I don't care for the mass production/plastic content...I feel like it's killing the traditional nature of this form. I suppose it's the best of both worlds...but a real handmade wood one can be had for nearly the same price (or carve one yourself). I'm a potter; I just finished making a batch of ceramic ones.

It certainly does go against the UL mindset, but personally, I could care less. Whatever happened to style, to handmade goods, to enjoying a good cup of coffee, not in some old soda can, but in your favorite mug?

I'm an artist; this mindset is very important to me in life in general, yet I feel like I've let it slip away simply for the sake of weight when on the trail.

I've been bringing this sort of gear back into my kit. Ultralight for ultralight's sake alone is getting pretty pointless unless dictated by speed/mileage concerns; for a few more ounces or pounds, quality items that are simply carried to be enjoyed can be had. I've got a week long, lower mileage trip coming up in a month with a good friend; I'll be carrying a handmade ceramic mug, a bamboo shakuhachi, a folding wooden chess set, bamboo place mat, sketchbook and pencils, and a cocktail flag for the tent (a tradition that should really be spread from sailing to the rest of the world!). All that one use, heavy stuff, needless...the horror!

But sometimes it's the little things...

Edited by xnomanx on 05/27/2011 22:33:27 MDT.

Kronos Master of Fate
(kthompson) - MLife

Locale: Behind the Redwood Curtain
Re: Kupilka Classic Drinking Vessel on 05/27/2011 22:47:23 MDT Print View

Another excellent post Craig! +1 on getting a wood one.

Chad Poindexter
(Stick) - F

Locale: Wet & Humid Southeast....
Kupiulka on 05/27/2011 22:52:43 MDT Print View

I agree, it is not UL, but I love mine. (Although, my entire kit is not quite "UL" either though, bur rather really light weight.) I do agree that they are probably not for everyone, but I enjoy having a cup to drink from when I take off rather than drinking from an oversized mug/undersized cook pot. Plus, I like the way it fits in my hand when I am drinking from it as well as the conversations it strikes up.

http://sticksblog.com/gear/kitchen/cups-mugs/kupilka-21-cup/

I wouldn't mind having a real one either though, but I don't see myself actually making one, and the real ones that I have found are quite expensive...

Edited by Stick on 05/27/2011 22:53:38 MDT.

Eugene Smith
(Eugeneius) - MLife

Locale: Nuevo Mexico
"Kupilka Classic Drinking Vessel" on 05/27/2011 22:54:32 MDT Print View

It's a slick little cup, works brilliantly, and has class- mine will be joining me this next week in the Pecos Wilderness and will serve as the vessel from which I joyfully sip my coffee. Volume is low, but just right.

Craig W.
(xnomanx) - F - M
Re: "Kupilka Classic Drinking Vessel" on 05/27/2011 23:07:19 MDT Print View

http://www.ecrater.com/p/7569218/kuksa-ancient-lapland-finland-drinking

I am thinking about picking up a Kupilka though...They've gotta be pretty indestructible.

Chad Poindexter
(Stick) - F

Locale: Wet & Humid Southeast....
Re: Re: "Kupilka Classic Drinking Vessel" on 05/27/2011 23:12:27 MDT Print View

I do remember coming across these on ecrater, thanks. I was looking at these too:

http://www.handmadeofwood.com/home

First Last
(snusmumriken) - F

Locale: SF Bay Area
Like a Swedish kausa on 05/27/2011 23:25:14 MDT Print View

This I guess is supposed to be like a Swedish kausa, but to me it seems something got lost in translation.

As others have pointed out the real thing is hand carved out of wood. And no, it is not for drinking your morning coffee, just for water. It's distinctive shape is that of a ladle so that you can easily scoop water out of the streams. The hole carved in the handle is so that you can attach it with a piece of string to your pack or your trouser belt.
Think of the kausa is the Scandinavian version of a Sierra cup.

In Sweden they make regular plastic versions for hikers and backpackers who still use them as they were designed.

Kronos Master of Fate
(kthompson) - MLife

Locale: Behind the Redwood Curtain
Re: Finnish Kuksa on 05/27/2011 23:38:47 MDT Print View

http://www.hikinginfinland.com/2010/01/gear-talk-puukko-kuksa-traditional.html

kuksa


http://www.hikinginfinland.com/2010/10/kupilka-review.html

Edited by kthompson on 05/27/2011 23:40:05 MDT.

Scott Pulver
(Scottp77) - F
Kupilka art? on 05/28/2011 00:12:23 MDT Print View

I can understand the appreciation of an object as art. Holding, and using an object that was made with care from an expert craftsmen, with precision and materials of the best quality, is something very special. But in my opinion the Kupilka is far from art. To me it is a mass produced imitation of art, marketed as if it were something unique.

I imagine these are machine maid out of a mass of company stock, no different then a Ti mug from other companies. I imagine it's only a matter of time before they are available at most REI.

But that's just the way I see it. Art is subjective after all...

Kronos Master of Fate
(kthompson) - MLife

Locale: Behind the Redwood Curtain
Re: Kupilka art? on 05/28/2011 00:16:47 MDT Print View

I don't think anyone was saying that the Kupilkas are art. The wood ones yes. These are definitely mass produced.

Scott Pulver
(Scottp77) - F
Re: Re: Kupilka art? on 05/28/2011 00:36:12 MDT Print View

I wasn't saying that anyone called the Kupilka art. I was just stating my opinion of the Kupilka as art, since the idea of appreciation of quality made objects was brought up.

To me, the Kupilka is nether an object of art, or a good choice for its intended use. So it would have little value to me....Especially for its cost.

Charles Henry
(Chuckie_Cheese)

Locale: Arizona and British Columbia
Re: Re: Re: Kupilka art? on 05/28/2011 02:14:22 MDT Print View

It looks cool.

Edited by Chuckie_Cheese on 05/28/2011 11:45:58 MDT.

Hendrik Morkel
(skullmonkey) - MLife

Locale: Finland
Kupilka vs Wooden Kuksa on 05/28/2011 05:45:35 MDT Print View

As I own both a Kupilka 21 and a wooden Kuksa (and they're from Finland, NOT from Sweden) I will try to shed some light on this.

The wooden kuksas which most people buy are as mass produced as the Kupilka 21, not handmade of gnarly birch but made in a factory of lower quality wood. A good, real handmade kuksa costs 50+ € - or you make it yourself, which will at least include a trip to Lapland with a saw and axe to find the right gnarly birch piece you need to start carving.

The (low-quality) wooden kuksas also tend to develop cracks when being in a wet environment for an extended period of time and not being dried regularly, as well as collecting the tastes and smells of the beverages they were enjoyed with - which is one of their allures, though from a hygienic standpoint might be a minus for some. Talking about beverages to enjoy from your kuksa, they are made for any beverage that takes your fancy - usually they are baptized for their first drink with a good cognac or similar followed by a coffee.

The Kupilka 21 then combines for me the aesthetics and advantages of a wooden kuksa with the advantages of being partly made of plastic - more hygienic, lighter, cheaper than a mass produced wooden kuksa and it doesn't crack in a wet environment. It is also nicer than the vast majority of mass produced wooden kuksas.

All in all, if you have the disposable income to either travel to Lapland to find your own gnarly birch piece or buy a real handmade kuksa go for it. Those with less disposable income will find the Kupilka 21 a great alternative.

Kronos Master of Fate
(kthompson) - MLife

Locale: Behind the Redwood Curtain
Re: Kupilka Classic Drinking Vessel on 05/28/2011 09:07:11 MDT Print View

Yikes. $33.33 shipped from BPL. Slightly cheaper if you are a member.

Edward Zwibel
(YetiEddie) - MLife

Locale: Sunny San Diego
Color me a yuppie! on 05/28/2011 09:50:32 MDT Print View

This father of six with two cars over 120,000 miles got one .... Just to hold my coffee. I've done the trapper mug sip, the lip burn, the imported foam throwaway cup, the transfer to plastic , etc.... I can easily justify 3 ounces to enjoy an experience while travelling. Truly luxury, in terms of necessity but the enjoyment quota can't be underestimated. +1 to Craig's comments... I think I'll just forgo that slice of pizza before the next trip and call it king's X.

Happy trails!

Chad Poindexter
(Stick) - F

Locale: Wet & Humid Southeast....
Kupilka on 05/28/2011 09:51:38 MDT Print View

That is what I paid for mine when I got it, except at that time it was not available for purchase in the States, so I bought it straight from Kupilka and it was shipped from Finland. And while it was not extremely difficult to buy, it was not nearly as easy as buying it from a company in the States. However, I have been pleased with it since.

(It's hard to tell but I am holding my Kupilka in my avatar pic.)

Edited by Stick on 05/28/2011 10:14:03 MDT.

George Matthews
(gmatthews) - MLife
Re: Kupilka - i am weak, very weak on 05/28/2011 10:39:38 MDT Print View

I'm going to have to attend a meeting. Hi, I'm a Kupilkaholic. It started when I saw this pretty picture of this Finn cup...

I have one coming that I ordered from BPL. Honestly, the only reason I bought it was because both Hendrik and Finland are so cool. I will now hang my head, ashamed and anxiously await my cup. I'm taking it on next bp trip just because I can.

I like what Craig said earlier. I love to drink tea in a good sized ceramic mug. I might take one with me on a future bp. Craig - do you make tea cup mugs?