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Eric Thompson
(er0ck) - F

Locale: PNW
new nook nerd-book 1oz lighter than lightest kindle on 05/26/2011 13:48:50 MDT Print View

so, not exactly UL backpacking gear, but these things now weigh less than a small paperback. i'm not sure about you, but sometimes i get bored sitting at camp if i'm solo and used to the hustle and bustle of everyday life.

sure, i go into the woods to get away from that, but reading is a great way to pass the time. in addition i can use the reader to store topo maps (as images i import). it's a bit harder to dig out of my pack (than a paper map), and it'd need a plastic bag in rain, but this helps justify the extra weight.

new Barnes & Noble nook: 6.5" x 5.0" x 0.47", 7.48 oz. (212g), 2GB, 6" Diagonal screen, about $140

Kindle3 wifi:7.5 × 4.8 × 0.34" (190 × 123 × 8.51 mm), 8.5 oz (241 g), 4 GB or 3 GB, 6" Diagonal screen, about $100

Edited by er0ck on 05/26/2011 17:08:44 MDT.

jerry adams
(retiredjerry) - MLife

Locale: Oregon and Washington
Re: new nook e-reader 1oz lighter than lightest kindle on 05/26/2011 14:05:51 MDT Print View

How long does the battery last?

It would be interesting to have a GPS with that size screen, and ability to store books. Also have a decent camera.

Rick Dreher
(halfturbo) - MLife

Locale: Northernish California
Re: new nook e-reader 1oz lighter than lightest kindle on 05/26/2011 14:19:02 MDT Print View

Got a Kindle (the small 3G model) for Christmas and I confess I like it. Battery life is weeks provided the wireless is left off and because they now read pdfs, all sorts of handy stuff can be loaded, including scanned guidebook pages, camera and GPS owners manuals, first aid documents and the like. And yes, it's about the weight of one paperback, although it's not as good for firestarting and, uh, other backwoods paper repurposing. The e-ink display is more readable in bright light than any LCD or even AMOLED display I've ever seen.

Cheers,

Rick

Eric Thompson
(er0ck) - F

Locale: PNW
Re: Re: new nook e-ink gizmo 1oz lighter than lightest kindle on 05/26/2011 14:29:02 MDT Print View

yesterday amazon said the kindle battery life was "a month". today, after b&n announced a 2 month battery life, the same old untouched kindle suddenly has a reported battery life of 2 months. >:-(

i'm sure this depends if you are actually reading or not. most people get a few weeks life out of them when actively reading.

none of them have a gps that i know of, and i'm sure it would/could destroy the battery life if it was in use (similar to existing phones).
but i like your thinking, would be sliiiick

Edited by er0ck on 05/26/2011 17:10:16 MDT.

Joe Clement
(skinewmexico) - MLife

Locale: Southwest
new nook e-reader 1oz lighter than lightest kindle on 05/26/2011 14:31:45 MDT Print View

My kids love their Nook. They use it go get on the internet more than a laptop now.

John S.
(jshann) - F
Re: new nook e-reader 1oz lighter than lightest kindle on 05/26/2011 16:43:38 MDT Print View

Just don't say nook e-reader too fast or you might get slapped by that girl standing next to you.

tyler marlow
(like.sisyphus) - F

Locale: Southeast
new nook on 05/26/2011 18:21:36 MDT Print View

Yeah i was about to post this

I work for B&N and its funny they are actually using the words 'ultra-light' in ads now

That 2 months of battery life is with the WIFI connectivity OFF, Kindle's claim on 1 month is probably based on the with the WIFI ON and theyve changed their marketing to compete with Nooks claims.

All in all i think that ereaders might start having a place in our gear lists now. If only there was a web browser on these it would be an all in one book/mp3 player/blog updater/guidebook

i'd dig it.

Scott Truong
(elf773) - M

Locale: Vancouver, BC
RE: new nook e-reader 1oz lighter than lightest kindle/ web browser. on 05/26/2011 18:34:07 MDT Print View

I have the Kindle 3 with wi-fi/3G. I like it a lot, but buy it if you like to read. The battery life is more like 3 weeks with intensive reading with wireless turned off.

There IS a web-browser and it is quite decent. Though it doesn't do mulitple page sites. The 3G is free, works well (tried in Canada and Hong Kong) and is good for 100 countries.

Amazon gives you a dedicated email address with purchase, type in "convert" in the subject box, attach a file (PDF, word, etc) and it formats it and sends it to your kindle in like 30 sec. This way, you can zoom said document once formatted.

The screen is the best feature though, no eye strain.

I read a lot, and it excels for travel, eating and reading... basically solo travel.

I have no experience with the nook. Though I'd avoid backlit screens if you actually plan on reading a lot.

And the rudimentary audio player has very very good speakers/sound. Seriously. Drains battery power though.

Edited by elf773 on 05/26/2011 18:34:59 MDT.

John Jensen
(JohnJ) - F

Locale: Orange County, CA
trade-offs on 05/26/2011 18:42:59 MDT Print View

Lots of trade-offs amongst them, perhaps especially with the non-aligned kobo? But FWIW, it's another 1/2 oz lighter:

Nook WiFi and Kobo eReader Touch Edition assault the Amazon Kindle fortress

Sumi Wada
(DetroitTigerFan) - F

Locale: Ann Arbor
Re: new nook nerd-book 1oz lighter than lightest kindle on 05/26/2011 20:44:39 MDT Print View

I have a Kindle3 and mine weighs 7.5 oz on my scale.

I've always taken a reading book with me and the Kindle is lighter, so I'm happy. I like not having to choose a "skinny" book or worry that I'll finish it before the end of the hike. I load it up with a couple of different types of books, plus a magazine or two for some fluff. Usually have a game or two like Scrabble. I made a simple neoprene sleeve for a little protection.

Eric Thompson
(er0ck) - F

Locale: PNW
no backlight on 05/27/2011 15:21:34 MDT Print View

most e-ink displays do not incorporate a backlight. in addition, it's not the backlight that causes (most of the) eye strain, it's the flicker and (relatively) low contrast of a conventional lcd.

neither the nook touch nor kindle3 i'm talking about here have backlights. this is by design, but makes it difficult ;-) to read in the dark. that's what my headlamp is for, and frankly i wouldn't want the additional weight nor battery impact of a backlight which is not required most of the time.

the kindle is much more established with the advantages that come from a huge userbase. if it's truly 7.5oz, i'd probably end up sticking with that one, even though i like android OS.

i'm getting one, i'll stick it in a ziplock and upload maps to it. haven't decided which one yet.

whoa. the sony one is reportedly ~5.6 oz. the battery life looks like it suffers on the lighter ones, but i think 2 weeks will be fine for most purposes. even on longer hikes i'd think i'd have a re-supply and charge opportunity prior to two weeks!

Edited by er0ck on 05/27/2011 15:25:49 MDT.

drowning in spam
(leaftye) - F

Locale: SoCal
Re: new nook nerd-book 1oz lighter than lightest kindle on 05/27/2011 16:08:23 MDT Print View

I wish these smaller readers had the screen resolution of the bigger models.

Richard Barish
(rdbarish) - F

Locale: New Mexico
And I wish on 05/27/2011 22:45:15 MDT Print View

that these readers would make availabe in e-form the kind of books I want when I am out in nature - field guides. As soon as they do, I'm in.

Dustin Short
(upalachango) - MLife
Re: new nook nerd-book 1oz lighter than lightest kindle on 05/28/2011 05:34:58 MDT Print View

Has anyone tried loading topo maps (like from Nat Geo's TOPO! software) onto an e-reader. I've been thinking along these lines myself (could save a fair amount of weight on a thru-hike between topos and multiple guide books now at your fingertips).

I just don't know of the resolution is decent enough to read a grayscale topo map of confidently.

John S.
(jshann) - F
Re: Re: new nook nerd-book 1oz lighter than lightest kindle on 05/28/2011 07:57:27 MDT Print View

What file type would you use for a topo on the e-reader (guessing .pdf)? I wouldn't think it would accept .tif.

Edited by jshann on 05/28/2011 10:14:57 MDT.

Ken Thompson
(kthompson) - MLife
Re: new nook nerd-book 1oz lighter than lightest kindle on 05/28/2011 09:09:09 MDT Print View

These e-readers are too limited in their applications. I don't see them being around in 5 years with the advent of the tablet computer.

Rick Dreher
(halfturbo) - MLife

Locale: Northernish California
Re: new nook nerd-book 1oz lighter than lightest kindle on 05/28/2011 10:27:22 MDT Print View

Hi Dustin,

I just tried an experiment, and it seems to work.

1. Exported a tiff from Topo! in greyscale.
2. Opened in Illustrator and saved as an .ai file.
3. Exported to pdf
4. Copied to Kindle

The resulting map when zoomed is quite readable--good enough for navigation. I might turn off the 3D shading next time to better delineate the vegetation boundaries.

So, yes and yes--you can export from Topo! and the map can be read on a Kindle. A year from now we'll be discussing color E-ink displays--if they don't suck they'll be easier to read than monochrome but in the meantime there are enough steps in the greyscale to make today's version viable.

Cheers,

Rick

Eric Thompson
(er0ck) - F

Locale: PNW
Re: Re: new nook nerd-book 1oz lighter than lightest kindle on 05/28/2011 13:21:27 MDT Print View

"These e-readers are too limited in their applications. I don't see them being around in 5 years with the advent of the tablet computer."

it seems you might not understand the differences/advantages btwn an e-reader and a tablet. and/or what does the technology we use today have to do with what will be applicable or useful in 5 years?

Brett Ayer
(bfayer)

Locale: Virginia
Tablets replacing E-Readers on 05/28/2011 16:34:25 MDT Print View

Actually it will be the other way around. The tablets will become outdated when the e-readers start becoming more advanced. The new Nook is a step in the right direction.

E-readers are way cheaper than tablets.

E-readers have much longer battery life.

E-readers are way lighter (although even lighter would be nice)

E-readers have no monthly service charge.

Example:

Kindle WIFI = $139, battery life at least 3 weeks of daily use.
I-pad WIFI = $499 (cheapest one), 10 hours max.

I have both a I-Pad and a Kindle and I find my self taking the Kindle with me way more often than the I-pad. The I-pad is better for games and movies however.

Keep the battery life of the kindle, add color, a touch screen, a gps, and my I-Pad will become a overpriced digital picture frame :)

The biggest issue e-readers need to overcome is the proprietary formats. Once e-book formats are standardized and universal, I believe e-readers will take off big time.

For example my daughter in high school hauls around about 25 pounds of text books, that together cost a few hundred dollars. It would be way less expensive to give her an e-reader and have all the text books loaded on at the beginning of the school year. There is no way the school could afford to get everyone I-Pads.

I think the e-reader/tablet war will be like the Beta/VHS war, in this case I think the e-reader is the VHS. Only time will tell.

Doug I.
(idester) - MLife

Locale: MidAtlantic
Re: Tablets replacing E-Readers on 05/28/2011 16:44:09 MDT Print View

"E-readers have no monthly service charge."

Neither does an iPad unless you WANT it to.

"Keep the battery life of the kindle, add color, a touch screen, a gps, and my I-Pad will become a overpriced digital picture frame :)"

Add all that to a kindle, and you've got an iPad. I don't believe you can add all that and keep the battery life, or the lightness, of current e-readers.

"There is no way the school could afford to get everyone I-Pads."

Ahem.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/05/education/05tablets.html?_r=1

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2011/05/15/mass_school_is_hooked_on_the_ipad/

http://mashable.com/2011/01/05/schools-ipad/