Montbell UL Down Inner Jacket
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Sumi Wada
(DetroitTigerFan) - F

Locale: Ann Arbor
Montbell UL Down Inner Jacket on 05/25/2011 09:23:49 MDT Print View

Anyone have experience with this jacket? (Specifically the "UL Down Inner Jacket") Would like to hear how it compares with the Patagonia Nano Puff for warmth. TIA

Samuel Kau
(Skau)

Locale: Southern California
Re: Montbell UL Down Inner Jacket on 05/25/2011 09:50:35 MDT Print View

I bought mine on sale at campsaver a little while ago and so far i really like it. I use it when i see temperatures around freezing and for that, it is a nice jacket.

eric chan
(bearbreeder) - F
warmer on 05/25/2011 11:29:45 MDT Print View

warmer than the nano poofay ...

William Zila
(Ultralightwillinn.m) - MLife

Locale: Albuquerque
And lighter and more compressible on 05/25/2011 11:55:10 MDT Print View

Then the nano poofay

R S
(rps76) - F
but will tear easier and become wet and useless faster... on 05/25/2011 13:14:57 MDT Print View

than a Nano Puff. And it is also not covered by a "oh you were drunk, tripped and fell in the fire and burned half the arm off of your Nano puff? We'll fix it. No, we'll just give you a new one" guarantee. =)

Edited by rps76 on 05/25/2011 13:20:02 MDT.

Eric Thompson
(er0ck) - F

Locale: PNW
just got one... on 05/25/2011 13:59:56 MDT Print View

i just got one in gear swap. psyched to try it out this weekend, if i'll even need it. trying to figure out if it can replace my fleece, or if it will be too warm for that

it's lighter and more packable than a nano puff. just don't get it wet...

eric chan
(bearbreeder) - F
tear? on 05/25/2011 14:27:53 MDT Print View

pfft ... youre gonna wear your windshirt over it anyways for more warmth ... not that MB has a bad warranty, but if you want jackets with the "my pet bear ate it, digested it, and then pooped it out" excuse ... buy any jacket from REI ...

as to wet ... thats the price you pay for down and its light weight ... only YOU can make that decision

note that the weight is very significant ... my EXL is 5.5 oz and is "twice" as insulating as 60g/m primaloft jackets at half the weight according to richard's clos (use the tested clo of primaloft, not the theoretical which richard has found to be a tad off) ... think of it as 3-4 times as "efficient" ... simply put a 60g/m is synth is roughly equivalent to a mid-heavy weight fleece ... a 2 oz 800+ down jacket is roughly equivalent to TWO such jackets ... my personal observations seem to comfirm this ... the exceptions are if the down is compressed, or in high humidity, then you lose some OMMPHHH

at the end of the day its what youre going to use it for ... i have both a dead bird atom lt and a exl (and many others) ... if rain is likely i bring the atom or both ... if its low probability, the exl ... with the weight savings i can easily carry 1-2 extra small cams, or another jetboil canister, or a rain jacket

etc ....

Stephan Doyle
(StephanCal)
Re: but will tear easier and become wet and useless faster... on 05/25/2011 14:37:23 MDT Print View

For such a guarantee, Patagonia now has their own version of the SUL Down Jacket: the Ultralight Down Shirt. It's even on sale for $175 at several online shops right now.

Bradford Rogers
(Mocs123) - MLife

Locale: Southeast Tennessee
Re: Montbell UL Down Inner Jacket on 05/25/2011 18:45:42 MDT Print View

I bought mine about three years ago and it is the best clothing purchase I have ever made. Incredible warmth for the weight.

Mark Hudson
(vesteroid) - MLife

Locale: Eastern Sierras
Wm on 05/25/2011 19:16:50 MDT Print View

I still maintain that the wm flash is warmer for the same money

I have seen them side by side and the flash has twice the loft

Chris W
(simplespirit) - MLife

Locale: .
Re: Wm on 05/25/2011 19:22:45 MDT Print View

The Flash is 250 where the UL Down Inner is 175 with a hood. Not exactly the same money. The Flash does have an extra 1/2 ounce of down and should be warmer though.

Edited by simplespirit on 05/25/2011 19:24:16 MDT.

Bradford Rogers
(Mocs123) - MLife

Locale: Southeast Tennessee
Re: Re: Wm on 05/25/2011 19:28:30 MDT Print View

What Chris said plus Mont-Bell can often be found on sale (I got my UL Down Inner for $80 brand new) where as WM never goes on sale. I have seen the Flash in person though, and it is one sweet jacket, probably better overall than the Equivalent Mont-Bell UL Down Parka.

Mike M
(mtwarden) - MLife

Locale: Montana
price on 05/25/2011 19:29:23 MDT Print View

not only cheaper @ MSRP, but you can OFTEN find MB stuff on sale, you can SELDOM find WM stuff on sale

for $100 difference, I'd go MB all day long :)

Greg Mihalik
(greg23) - M

Locale: Colorado
Re: Re: Re: WM Hooded Flash on 05/25/2011 19:31:38 MDT Print View

WM: "There are no cordlocks on this garment because we have finished the hood and waist with lightweight elastic piping to seal out the cold."

No thanks.
I like adjustable hoods.
I'll stick with Montbell.

Edited by greg23 on 05/25/2011 19:32:13 MDT.

Ken Bennett
(ken_bennett) - F

Locale: southeastern usa
Re: Wm on 05/25/2011 19:54:34 MDT Print View

My wife has the Montbell UL Down Inner Parka -- the hood makes a nice addition. Great jacket, and after selling my Patagonia pullovers I was going to buy one for myself. Then I saw the WM Flash hooded jacket at an outfitter, and bought it right there. $260 was a little spendy, but it does have more loft than the MB and it fits me better than any MB garment I have owned. The WM is simple, light, and looks like it should be very warm.

Mike M
(mtwarden) - MLife

Locale: Montana
WM on 05/25/2011 20:02:04 MDT Print View

I'm certainly not poo-pooing the Flash, just that for a $100 I'd have a hard time justify purchasing it over the UL parka

Scott Truong
(elf773)

Locale: Vancouver, BC
RE: WM Flash vs MB UL Down Inner. on 05/25/2011 20:08:22 MDT Print View

Yeah I tried on both, in person, at a Seattle store and for me it was really clear cut. The WM hands down for fit and finish.

The hood on the WM fit great, like a balaclava. Material felt nicer and the loft was great. It looked, felt and fit great on me. Nice nice piece of gear if you got the cheddar.

Size small in the WM and size M in the Montbell though. 36-38" chest, 19" torso, 5'7-8" 155 lbs.

I ended up with the MB Ex-light and the EB Downlight jacket, but if I ever break down and need to get Visa high, the WM hooded flash would be it.. in blue.

The WM Flash is comparable to the MB Alpine light and not the UL inner, no? I haven't checked out the newest MB versions yet though.

Mike M
(mtwarden) - MLife

Locale: Montana
comparo on 05/25/2011 20:21:31 MDT Print View

much closer to the UL parka vs the Alpine light IMHO - UL park 9 oz w/ 2.5 o of fill, Flash 9.3 oz w/ 3.0 fill, the Alpine Light has 1.5 times the fill as the Flash (4.5 oz)

Warren Greer
(WarrenGreer) - F

Locale: SoCal
Mmm, apples to .... on 05/25/2011 20:56:53 MDT Print View

The flash is a nice looking garment, but at 9 oz, its a bit heavier than the UL Down and allot heavier than the EXL. Really, it just comes down to how much warmth you need. Where I live, and for three season use, the EXL will do just fine. And the WM piece is expensive, no way around that. But if the shoe fits........

Colin Krusor
(ckrusor)

Locale: Northwest US
UL Down Inner parka hood on 05/25/2011 21:10:27 MDT Print View

The current version of the Montbell UL Down Inner Parka has cordlocks in the hood and hem. I've used them to cinch mine around my face on cold early morning bike rides many times. The first version, several years ago, had elastic instead of cordlocks and wasn't adjustable but that's changed.