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Ryan Elsey
(paintballswimguy) - F

Locale: Kansas City
4 season neoair available on 05/24/2011 15:15:50 MDT Print View

I just got an email from backwoods letting me order the new all season neoair. You guys should xheck it out. It is exclusive to them till july 4th

Peter Griffith
(petergriffith) - MLife

Locale: SoCal
Neoair on 05/24/2011 16:00:52 MDT Print View

Can you provide a link?

Bryce F.
(bster13) - MLife

Locale: Norwalk, CT
More Details on 05/24/2011 18:07:35 MDT Print View

http://www.trailspace.com/blog/2011/01/22/outdoor-retailer-all-season-neo-air.html

Mark Hudson
(vesteroid) - MLife

Locale: Eastern Sierras
Purchase link on 05/24/2011 18:17:41 MDT Print View

I don't see it on the backwoods site

Richard Malpass
(Earthling4469a) - M

Locale: Australia, Planet Earth,
Nice mat on 05/24/2011 21:45:31 MDT Print View

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Vv_dJ0MVFU

Looks goooooood.

As a matter of interest what would be its rival in r value and weight?

Edited by Earthling4469a on 05/25/2011 00:24:28 MDT.

k web
(kbweb) - F

Locale: Tacoma, WA
all season on 05/24/2011 22:20:23 MDT Print View

Mountaingear.com has them on their website with an expected ship date of 5/29 (5/30 once you add it to your cart).

Dave U
(FamilyGuy) - F

Locale: Rockies
4 season Neoair on 05/24/2011 22:24:11 MDT Print View

No insulation, no closed sell foam and an R-value of 4.9?

I will need BPL to review before I change my feeling that this is a bit of snake oil.

Stephan Doyle
(StephanCal)
Re: 4 season Neoair on 05/25/2011 00:09:45 MDT Print View

I can believe it.

The current NeoAir achieves its R-value without any traditional insulation or foam.

It's not out of the realm of possibilities to just do more of it.

Dave U
(FamilyGuy) - F

Locale: Rockies
4 season neoair available on 05/25/2011 00:15:32 MDT Print View

Well, I believe the current NeoAir to be overrated with respect to R-value so that may be my issue.

James Marco
(jamesdmarco) - MLife

Locale: Finger Lakes
4 season neoair available on 05/25/2011 02:37:12 MDT Print View

That might be OK for base camping. But at 18oz or more it is by no means an ultralight pad.

Doug Reeves
(strawman) - F

Locale: God's Country
Re: 4 season neoair available on 05/25/2011 11:23:07 MDT Print View

James, what pad do you use for winter sleeping that is lighter than 18oz? If it's truly R 4.9, that's pretty darn light (IMO).

Richard Malpass
(Earthling4469a) - M

Locale: Australia, Planet Earth,
Re: Nice mat on 05/25/2011 14:19:54 MDT Print View

DownMat 7 S
Size: 163x52x7 cm / 64x20x2.8“
Weight: 780 g / 27.5 oz
Packed: 23x16 cm / 9x6“
Fill Weight**: 150 g / 5.3 oz
Temperature: -24°C / -11°F
R-value: 5.9

Would be the closest?

Justin Reigle
(jreigle) - F - M

Locale: SF Bay area
Re: 4 season neoair available on 05/25/2011 15:13:24 MDT Print View

Well, I believe the current NeoAir to be overrated with respect to R-value so that may be my issue.

I would agree with that. Using mine near freezing in a WM highlite gets a bit chilly - I can feel it radiating out through my back. Deflating helps a little. Substitute a cheap blue foam CCF and I could go to 25F with that same bag before getting cool.

Not sure how this new pad will stack up, but without real insulation I'm skeptical.

Joe Clement
(skinewmexico) - MLife

Locale: Southwest
4 season neoair available on 05/25/2011 15:22:26 MDT Print View

I'm always a bit amazed at the giddiness that sweeps the hiking community when a new Neoair is introduced.

Mary D
(hikinggranny) - MLife

Locale: Gateway to Columbia River Gorge
4 season neoair available on 05/25/2011 15:38:21 MDT Print View

Talk to Bender of Kooka Bay before you decide to buy a NeoAir. For similar price and weight, or maybe less, he'll make you an insulated air pad just the way you want it. Mine is in the mail! 60"x20"x3.5", Climashield Apex insulated to R5, 13 oz.

Edited by hikinggranny on 05/25/2011 15:41:09 MDT.

Stephan Doyle
(StephanCal)
Re: Re: 4 season neoair available on 05/25/2011 15:40:59 MDT Print View

@Justin: The NeoAir's claimed R-value "corresponds" to near 40º. While I (and many others) have pushed them below, it's hard to criticize the NeoAir for getting cold when you might expect it to. When a 40º sleeping bag gets cold at 32º is that an overrated bag?

Justin Reigle
(jreigle) - F - M

Locale: SF Bay area
Re: Re: Re: 4 season neoair available on 05/25/2011 16:01:23 MDT Print View

Fair enough, Stephan.

However, a standard 3/8" blue foam pad is rated to R1.35 and keeps me warmer at colder temperatures than I've ever tested the Neoair. I would expect an R2.5 rated Neoair to perform better. In my experience, it does not - using the same bag anyway.

Brendan Swihart
(brendans) - F - MLife

Locale: Fruita CO
4 season neoair available on 05/25/2011 16:14:04 MDT Print View

+1 on Kookabay. There's a wait, but well worth it.

Ted E
(denver_whitest185) - MLife

Locale: CO
R-value on 05/25/2011 16:33:03 MDT Print View

when the BPL staff tested a regular neoair, its R value was higher than the claimed 2.5

http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/thermarest_neoair_review.html

so i would think that if thermarest is claiming that it's new pad has an R value of 4.9, i think thats possible. they just need to limit air flow within the pad to increase the R value, thats how down works anyways...

Stephan Doyle
(StephanCal)
Re: Re: Re: Re: 4 season neoair available on 05/25/2011 17:45:03 MDT Print View

That's fair, Justin.

I don't have a clue as to why, but some do quite well with the NeoAir but it doesn't do a thing for others.

I don't think this is all just in our heads.