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robert mckay
(rahstin) - F

Locale: The Great Land
hiking staff / bear deterrent on 05/22/2011 16:01:12 MDT Print View

The spear has been used for many a millennium as a large animal deterrent.
Just attached an old throwing knife to the end of a bamboo staff that I use to hike with anyway.
spear

Tom Kirchner
(ouzel) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest/Sierra
Re: hiking staff / bear deterrent on 05/22/2011 16:27:42 MDT Print View

"Just attached an old throwing knife to the end of a bamboo staff that I use to hike with anyway."

Which the first bear you try to use it on will greatly appreciate when he is trying to remove shreds of your pants from between his teeth. ;)

Kronos Master of Fate
(kthompson) - MLife

Locale: Behind the Redwood Curtain
Re: Re: hiking staff / bear deterrent on 05/22/2011 17:05:14 MDT Print View

The staff needs to be much longer.

Dale Wambaugh
(dwambaugh) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest
Re: hiking staff / bear deterrent on 05/22/2011 17:28:09 MDT Print View

Yeahhhh,

Some law enforcement personnel may look upon that as a deadly weapon and give you a free pair of steel bracelets and a vacation in the local county jail.

If you want a staff that is useful for a bear "deterrent" it should involve gunpowder and some sort of lead projectile (with proper permits and licensing). If the bear is annoyed enough to get that close, you have a whole bunch of problems to deal with. They are amazingly fast, have full-time four wheel drive, and are well armed.

Cold Steel makes the Bushman knife, which has an open steel socket for a handle and makes a handy-dandy spear head, but that doesn't do a thing for the issues above.

jerry adams
(retiredjerry) - MLife

Locale: Oregon and Washington
Re: Re: hiking staff / bear deterrent on 05/22/2011 18:17:42 MDT Print View

I wonder what would happen if a bear attacked you and you poked it with a regular trekking pole?

John Whynot
(jdw01776)

Locale: Southeast Texas
Re: Re: Re: hiking staff / bear deterrent on 05/22/2011 18:34:17 MDT Print View

>>I wonder what would happen if a bear attacked you and you poked it with a regular trekking pole?

Your last thought will be "My heirs will be inheriting a broken trekking pole"...

Doug I.
(idester) - MLife

Locale: MidAtlantic
Re: Re: Re: Re: hiking staff / bear deterrent on 05/22/2011 18:35:15 MDT Print View

"Your last thought will be "My heirs will be inheriting a broken trekking pole"..."

ROFFL!

cary bertoncini
(cbert) - F

Locale: N. California
A few years ago, a Kenai resident out for a jog on 05/22/2011 18:41:53 MDT Print View

Was attacked by a grizzly. He survived, making him i think the only known two time survivor of a grizzly attack. When he was eighteen, he was attacked near Anchorage. That time he wasn't alone, fortunately. His friend, wielding a fishing rod, repeatedly beat the bear abbot the snout and face, eventually driving him/her off.

Franco Darioli
(Franco) - M

Locale: Melbourne
hiking staff / bear deterrent on 05/22/2011 20:59:24 MDT Print View

Great way to injure yourself ( and others, particularly behind you...) and really upset a bear..
Franco

Dale Wambaugh
(dwambaugh) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest
Re: hiking staff / bear deterrent on 05/22/2011 22:07:24 MDT Print View

The best strategy is to hike with someone slower than you are. They don't need to be a lot slower--- just a little bit slower will work :)

jerry adams
(retiredjerry) - MLife

Locale: Oregon and Washington
Re: Re: hiking staff / bear deterrent on 05/22/2011 22:18:22 MDT Print View

or with someone that climbs trees a little slower than you?

Dale Wambaugh
(dwambaugh) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest
Re: Re: Re: hiking staff / bear deterrent on 05/22/2011 23:45:21 MDT Print View

You seem to have a grasp of the basic concept :)

alan barber
(azbarber) - F

Locale: SE
bear deterrent on 05/23/2011 05:42:25 MDT Print View

My hiking partner once asked me about bear deterrent, and what/if we should have something. I told him not to worry, I had it under control. He asked what my plan was that made me so confident. I told him I was carrying a gun. He thought for a sec and "what kind?" I told him it was a ,22 pistol. Really small and light. He laughed and told me a ,22 would never kill a bear. I said "No, but when I shoot you in the leg with it, I will easily be able to outrun you." The look on his face was priceless.

And now when we go hiking together, he carries that big heavy can of bear spray that he bought.

Az

carl becker
(carlbecker) - F

Locale: Northern Virginia
Re: bear deterrent on 05/23/2011 07:06:04 MDT Print View

After reading some books about bears being the faster of two may not help either. The bear catches the second and or knocks down the tree. It seems like being very careful-alert, lucky or being able to quickly use bear spray work better. Reading about people with guns large enough to stop a bear but unable to react fast enough signals to me they where over confident with the weapon. Watching the video of a bear charging boaters in a creek in Alaska impressed me with just how quick and fast a bear is. Watching a bear chasing a buffalo reinforces that.

robert mckay
(rahstin) - F

Locale: The Great Land
hiking staff / bear deterrent on 05/23/2011 14:37:27 MDT Print View

When bears attack in a wooded area you literally have a couple of seconds to react.
I am not a very quick draw with a firearm so I assume I'm not fast with spray either.
Since my staff is already in my hand I can be in ready position in an instant.
I also carry some fireworks (of the loud bang variety) when a lingering bear is being annoying I'll light one of those puppies and watch em run away.
Of course the best bear deterrent I've ever used is my voice and my brain.
Do bears have instincts to stay away from a human with a spear? They have been around for some 40,000 years.
Here is me and a couple of friends on our Pangea thru-hike!
ugandfamily

Dave Myers
(PatientWolf) - F - M

Locale: South Western Oklahoma
Re: hiking staff / bear deterrent on 05/23/2011 14:55:59 MDT Print View

"Here is me and a couple of friends on our Pangea thru-hike!"

I see that you were wearing the cutting edge UL moisture wicking fast drying wolf hide baselayer

Tom Kirchner
(ouzel) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest/Sierra
Re: hiking staff / bear deterrent on 05/23/2011 20:59:04 MDT Print View

"Of course the best bear deterrent I've ever used is my voice and my brain."

Have you considered buying a pet skunk?

Dale Wambaugh
(dwambaugh) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest
Re: Re: hiking staff / bear deterrent on 05/23/2011 21:00:51 MDT Print View

I keep hearing this voice in my head.... any idea what Darwin sounded like?

Steven McAllister
(brooklynkayak) - MLife

Locale: Atlantic North East
Bears and other animals don't liek sticks on 05/26/2011 19:03:32 MDT Print View

I remember reading some tips from bear psychologists that say, ff a bear charges, raise your arms high and hold your ground. If you have a hiking pole or anything else hold it high and hit it against any overhanging trees.

Both Grizzlies and Black Bears have an instinct to back down when they see things much taller than them.

There have been many cases of grizzlies and black bears cutting their charge short when the victim held ground and held something high.

Hiking poles also come in handy with dogs and raccoons, a much more common problem than bears.

I think the knife on the end would serve no purpose other than to keep other people away. Very few people want to hang around with the hiker who has a knife on the end of a stick, until they get to know them, of course:-)

Edited by brooklynkayak on 05/26/2011 19:04:12 MDT.

Noel Tavan
(akatsuki_the_devil) - MLife
Re on 05/31/2011 13:51:10 MDT Print View

A friend of mine got attacked by a grizzly bear trying to protect her cub. He was mountain biking up in BC and played dead while trying use his bike a shield. He then got up thinking the bear was far enough but the bear came back at him and he did that once again. He was able to bike back downhill with a few broken bones.

I think playing dead would be my first instinct rather than trying to get "oversized" a full grown bear standing on his two rear legs....