And just as I perfected the lose-my-*ss method of resale.

"Though I do think I know your intent (and probably agree with you in your intent), I can't help but ask: If he were to have written "and boys" after his comment, would you have responded the same?"

No, I would not have responded at all. To call on a bunch of men about a behavior or an attitude that needs some kind of straightening out, by calling them "girls" is worth noticing. Not every time something like this happens, is there an ill intent, but it perpetuates attitudes that would be best left behind . Phrases like that are so common that the majority of men don't even think twice about it, and they mostly mean no harm. That does not mean that no harm can come from it. Our kids watch and listen and it would be better if they did not hear us put down people by calling them "girls". Best if they did not hear us put people down, period, but that is a different discussion.
All I am saying is "hey, that kind of talk is not cool". And no, this is not my household, and neither is it the household where that kind of talk goes unnoticed.

A hat with a peace sign would be cool. I can do that, if you were serious about it.

I'm cool with Todd. He did sell me something brand new for dirt cheap. I just hope he did not make a big profit from me. Lol

"And just as I perfected the lose-my-*ss method of resale."
+1

I understand why the OP is peeved. I guess one solution would be to check the potential purchasers prior posts and then sell to whomever you choose to or not. Some may argue thats questionable manners but, then again, participating here wholly to take advantage of members largess is equally questionable.

if you pay too much for something thats your fault. Stupid is as..

for real though todd, you have been buying a S**tload of gear. How could you possibly have time to try all that stuff out unless all you do is buy stuff and try it out and goto the bathroom with an occasional snack in there somewhere.

Edited by isaac.mouser on 04/07/2011 21:26:42 MDT.

that todd is even having to post this here is just nonsense. this is the kind of crap that makes me think some people on these sites don't even backpack. he bought gear, he owns it, then he sells it. the end...

"POLICY"

Gear posted here cannot be posted for sale anywhere else. We'll cheerfully remove such cross-posting information.
Once the gear is sold, please edit your first post to reflect that fact.
Play nice

There was little need to call into question the unblemished trades a member made on these boards, little less to publicly ask moderators to clarify the issue for one person, and no need to have Todd post this thread at all.

To those who felt in such great requirement to have this public apology posted, shame on you for your lack of discretion and your overbearing sense of duty. For being such expressed lightweight adherents, you've since become quite the forum heavies.

Edited by Steamboat_Willie on 04/07/2011 22:19:19 MDT.

Back to what the Gear Swap is all about.

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Edited by busguy on 04/08/2011 00:18:42 MDT.

i agree with william and josh, some massive egos on this forum.

"What I mean is, and what I would like to at least mention is, sexism - could feasibly be - just a silly concept someone created. (that shouldn't even need to exist) It may only really exist because someone, at some point, decided we needed to discriminate an uncool lad, or lass, from the bunch. (as if a so-called sexist really needed more attention)"

What's the matter with you guys???

"come come now girls"

Women used to be blatently discriminated against. Men were management. Women made coffee. If they complained they were called "girls".

Sort of like using the word beginning with N that white people can't use. Not as derogatory though.

I think you'de be better off saying something like "sorry Katharina and Martha" than making up some rationalization about using "boys" vs "girls".

It's no big deal but worth mentioning.

I see where Ben's coming from

If I sell something cheap to somebody so they can use it and then they just resell it for a profit, it would annoy me... for five minutes... and then I'de move on.

That's not what's happening, as it turns out, in Todd's case.

Todd,

As far as I can tell, you seriously have NOTHING to apologize for . . .

If you offered gear for sale here that ended up selling then you were doing this community a "service" in my mind. Where you purchased the gear prior and how much you paid for it is absolutely irrelevant and quite frankly none of anyone's business . . .

If anyone should be apologizing in this thread it's the self appointed sphincter police who felt the apparently uncontrollable need to publicly call you out for contravening his utopian view of the world . . .

I agree with you, I truly do. I even try and be careful about phrases like, "I have to go" when I'm on the phone with somebody when I don't truly "HAVE to go". There are phrases we use every single day, that if we actually thought about what we were saying, we'd realize a very subliminal type of communication going on in our everyday language. Sad, really.

If you can do a peace sign hat, I'm in -- maybe have the peace sign be a little abstract. Not so logo-ish.. :)

People like you are refreshing.

Cheers.

Still puzzled by Todd's apology, dont think selling something elsewhere after buying it on gear swap warrants a justice department of BPL investigation.. What if you cannot sell something on gear swap after buying it there say for a similar price? I buy and sell very little, very happy with my gear choices last 2-3 years..

The fact this thread was posted is why I mostly prefer to stay disengaged from the discussions here. I very much like the idea that things should be HYOH, yet somehow that fundamental concept here seems elusive.

To that end I think members should all strive to maintain a tone of integrity and inclusiveness and avoid absolute or universalized sentiments, especially in the absence of proper evidence. Now I realize that humans are humans and skins will be chaffed. But that only goes so far and it reaches a point.

Those who like to spend all their time on the forums in discussions makes me wonder sometimes. A few forum junkies seem to have the idea that we all have to conform to cherry-picked social norms of their choosing in addition the rules as established by the webmasters. This same social force has also stopped cold developments and competition that is good for the wider community(i.e. the TiGoat "Tii Kettle"). Now I feel the need to remind some members here that this site is not "The Community" in and of itself. The Ultralight Community extends beyond just this site and whatever value the discussions here may hold. There is something beyond just you and your favorite forum.

I can only pray that the evangelicals here on the forums of BPL understand that there is nothing wrong with entrepreneurship, in American society as a whole the consumer strives to make informed decisions, and which, if I am not mistaken, this drive to self-education is the true intent of BPL.

I think there needs to be no apology and I would invite everyone to realize that its all "just" camping gear. And as far as I can tell there are only so many useful ways to discuss such products. A little grounded outside perspective can go a long way.

I also emphatically ask that the evangelicals here don't measure other members by the number of times someone has or has not "added" to a discussion. After all didn't the ranking system go by the wayside? There is only so much your average working class enthusiast is going to be able to contribute. We're not all "experts" here and I would appreciate it if the community could satisfy itself with the fact they are drawing in new people.

We as a community can do better by showing some compassion, understanding, and recognition. The BPL forum is not the end all be all, and if you spend all your time "contributing" to the forums, then I ask you to strive to develop an understanding of those who don't write about their every hike or spend all their excess time here. They are also valuable members of the community just like you.

Edited by csforstall on 04/08/2011 09:58:40 MDT.

sorry you have nothing to apologzie for. Only one person needs to apologize and it is the one who started the other thread...IMO

Thanks for posting that

"Those who like to spend all their time on the forums in discussions makes me wonder sometimes."

Good point, we should go out for a hike rather than wasting our time on the internets : )

Nevermind.

Edited by strawman on 04/08/2011 10:45:40 MDT.

NM

Edited by ctracyverizon on 02/04/2012 06:20:11 MST.