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Jamie Shortt
(jshortt) - MLife

Locale: North Carolina
24 Hours with the TrailLite Designs Bandoleer Pack on 04/02/2011 14:54:27 MDT Print View

The following post is a combination gear review, gear list and trip report focused around the TrailLite Designs Bandoleer pack. Here is how it all played out.

Being a husband and father of two children makes it challenging to find time to get away on my own. So when I get a chance I have to be ready to jump on it. Ever since the buzz around the 24 hour series I have been working to simplify my gear list to enable such quick trips. My approaching birthday (March 30) was just one of those occasions and just days before everything worked out so that I could spend 24 hours in the mountains.

I had already decided on everything on my new list except the pack. I currently own a Jam2, Ion, MLD Prophet, and my 5.0 oz MYOG design. All these packs are suitable, but after seeing Thom Darrah’s post with his new Bandoleer pack, I thought what simpler than one strap. When he offered me one to test I could not have been more excited. It arrived just days before my 43rd birthday.

First Impressions
I opened the package just days before my hopeful trip. Inside was a tiny wound bundle of black cuben. I unrolled it and looked the pack over. It had one main compartment with a draw cord top. It has a collar but it is short. I noticed it was not designed as an extension collar. What makes this pack unique is it uses one wide strap that rides diagonally across ones chest instead of the traditional 2 straps and sternum strap configuration.

Bandoleer Pack

Bandoleer Side View

Bandoleer Strap

I checked out the pockets. It has on large back pocket and two smaller side pockets. All pockets are made from cuben and have drain holes. In addition there is a removable pocket with waterproof zipper on the main strap. The pack size looked trim. I’m guessing the volume at 1500 cubic inches for the main bag.

Strap Pocket
Removable Strap Pocket

Compression is achieved by three sets of shock cords integrated with the pockets. There are two side cords and one cord that crisscrosses the back panel runs through the top of the back pocket then continues over the top lid. This one cord pulls the pack tight across the back but also provides top compression. It is cinched by a single cord at the bottom of the pack. I have not seen anything like it and think it is brilliant.

Shock cords
Shock cord detail

Bottom lock
Tighten from the bottom also provides top compression

When I weighed the pack with all features it weighed 10.15 oz. The removable strap pocket weighed .95 oz and the waist strap weighed 1.25 oz. Leave these behind and the pack weighs only 7.95 oz.

I looked over the craftsmanship and found it to be superb. I had admired many of Chris Zimmer’s packs posted in MYOG section. His work in my hands did not disappoint. Chris’s talent plus Thom’s design made something special. Every detail of the pack looked well thought out. I would put this pack’s craftsmanship equal to the best cottage shops. I did notice that some seams were sewn while others were bonded.

To load the pack I used my traditional method: roll my pad into a tube; drop it in; stuff in sleeping bag & jacket; stuff shelter on top, load in stuff sack containing clothing and essentials then my food bag (which was empty) and loaded the pockets with water bottles, ti cup, and wind shirt. There was plenty of room left but I had yet to add food. I “played” with how to wear the pack and discovered 4 unique ways: over one shoulder; single strap across my chest, two straps across my chest, and lastly two straps with the waist belt added. Everything felt fine; I was ready for the trail.

The Trip:
On Friday March 25th it looked like a trip the next Tuesday/Wednesday would actually work. I decided to go to a long standing favorite, Mount Rogers, VA. I set my sights on a 20+ mile loop from Grayson Highlands State Park to Mount Rogers peak to Scales to Little Wilson Wilderness to camp and wake up on my birthday and then hike back out. I prepped my gear and trimmed my food taking only what I would need for a quick overnighter capable of handling sub freezing temps, rain, or snow.

Gear

Gear List:
Worn/Carried Items:
BPL LS Merino Wool T-shirt - 5.10
BPL Merino Wool Shorts - 3.70
REI Sahara Convertible Pants - 12.40
Smart Wool PHD Adrenaline Mini Crew - 2.35
Columbia Booney Hat - 2.75
Bandana - 1.05
Pedometer - 0.95
REI Carbon Bamboo Hiking Staff - 5.95
Montrail Masochist GTX Trail Runners (Size 11) + Superfeet - 29.00

Packed Clothing:
Golite Wisp Wind Shirt - 2.85
Mont-Bell UL Down Jacket - 6.90
REI Fleece Gloves - 1.40
Fleece Cap - 1.35
Smart Wool PHD Mini Crew -2.35

Packing:
TrailLite Bandoleer Pack - 10.15
Medium Cuben Zpacks Stuff Sack (clothes) - 0.20

Shelter & Sleeping:
Nunatak Ghost (Custom) - 15.55
GG 3/8" Thin Light Sleeping pad - 38" trimmed - 3.45
MLD Superlight Bivy - 6.05
Integral Designs Silponcho Tarp - 8.65
BPL Lazr Ti Stakes (x6) and 30' feet line - 2.00

Cooking & Hydration:
Platypus 2.5 lt. Water Bottle - 1.30
Platypus 1 lt. bottle - 0.90
Micropur Water Purifications Tabs (8x) - 0.20
Bear Hang (cuben stuff sack + 40 ft line) - 0.90
BPL Trapper Mug - 1.65
BPL Ti Wing Esbit Stove - 0.45
Dr Bonner's Camp Soap (micro-dropper) - 0.20
Bic Mini Lighter - 0.40
BPL Ti Spoon - 0.30

Essentials:
REI Keychain Thermometer/Compass - 0.30
Photocopy of Map - 0.40
Fox 40 Safety Whistle - 0.20
Photon Micro Light w/cord - 0.30
First Aid Kit (Meds, 2x Gauze Pads, Duct Tape, Razor Blade, Floss) - 0.80
Match Book - 0.15
Dermatome Stick - 0.25
Cell Phone - 2.35
Canon Powershot Camera - 4.75
Fisher Space Pen - 0.20
Car Key - 0.90

Consumables:
Total Food (1.0 days) - 19.70
2x Esbit Tablets - 1.00
Water 1 liter - 32.00

1-Total Items Worn/Carried (lbs.) = 3.95
2-Total Base Weight (lbs.) = 4.89
3-Total Weight of Consumables (lbs.) = 3.29
4-Total Gear Weight Worn & Packed (1) + (2) = 8.84
5-Total Carried Pack Weight (2) + (3) = 8.18
6-Total Skin Out Weight (1) + (2) + (3) = 12.13

Things not taken this trip were: GPS, rock sack and biner for bear hang, pot top, wind screen for stove, fuel bottle, eye glasses & contacts, shelter stuff sack, spare camera battery, tooth brush, tooth paste, cooking stuff sack, rain jacket, rain pants, 2 ti stakes, and watch. My base weight came in under 5 lbs with gear to handle rain or shine and 20 degree temps.

The Trip/Usage on the Trail:
I made the drive from Raleigh to Mount Rogers early Tuesday morning getting to the park, registering and hitting the trail at 10:42. The weather was sunny and temperature was around 45. There was patchy snow on the ground. The rangers and weather forecast advised nasty weather was coming that night. I hoisted the Bandoleer over my left shoulder and started up the Rhododendron Trail to the AT. I made the summit about two hours later spotting three wild ponies on the way up.

Massie Gap
Picture leaving Massie Gap shows pack using all straps and waist belt

Ponies

On the way up I stopped at the top of Wliburn Ridge to enjoy the view and document some of the different ways I found to wear the pack.

Looking beyond Wilburn Ridge

Shoulder carry
Shoulder carry

Cross the chest
Cross the chest carry

Full straps no belt
Full straps, no belt

I ate lunch on the summit and headed back down to the Thomas Knob shelter. I was carrying about 5 lbs of gear plus 3 lbs of food and water. After 6 miles under my belt and 2000 foot climb I could hardly tell I was wearing the Bandoleer pack. I would rate it excellent for carrying this type of load.

I decided I needed a better test so I stopped at the Thomas Knob spring and loaded up on water. This added another 5 lbs, all in the back pocket. When I do this with other packs I can feel it. The same was true for the bandoleer pack but it was not bad. I hiked the entire rest of the day (about 10 more miles) with this load without any issues. I would rate this pack like any other frameless packs, 12 pounds and under for comfort with a 20 pounds max. Considering it uses one strap to distribute the load I was impressed.

Summit of Mount Rogers
Summit of Mount Rogers

Thomas Knob Shelter
Thomas Knob Shelter

Full water
Bandoleer Pack with 7 lbs of of water

From Thomas Knob I hiked the Crest t\Trail to Scales then the First Peak Trail into Little Wilson Creek Wilderness Area. Across one of the balds I came across my second group of ponies. I counted 10 in all.

Scales
Scales

Ponies on 1st Peak Trail
Ponies on 1st Peak Trail

I picked up the Kabel Trail heading west. The sun was setting as I approached Little Wilson Creek where I planned to camp. Where the trail crosses the creek I found a large overused camp. Preferring something more natural I pushed my way into through the rhododendron along the creek in hopes of finding a stealth site. Without too much effort I found a great spot with a small fire ring that had not been touched in some time.

Little WIlson Creek
Little Wilson Creek at Camp Site

I pitched my poncho tarp and used the remaining day light to get a fire ready. As the sun disappeared I heated water for a dinner of Asian noodles. I ate, completed my camp, and enjoyed the fire as the stars came out thinking “is it really going to rain?”. The temperature had dropped quickly to 30 degrees when I retired at 9:30pm. I made some trail notes and went to sleep almost immediately not waking once until 2:00 am to the sound of pouring rain. The temp increased to 35 or it would have likely been snow.

Pitching Tarp
Setting up camp

Pitched Tarp
Ready for the night

Fire
Fire as the sun set

I woke up around 7:00 am and enjoyed the storm as I snuggled in Nunatak Ghost and MLD Superlight bivy. I did get wet getting my bear hang down, but it was worth it having oatmeal and coffee under the tarp. Luckily the rain eased as I packed up hitting the trail around 9:00 am.

View from tarp during the rain
Looking out of the tarp while it rained

Ready to head out
Packed up and ready to go

I finished up the trip by crossing a now swollen Big Wilson Creek taking the Upchurch Road Trail to the picnic area. A mile down the road took me back to my truck at 11:28 (24 hours plus some change).

Hiking out
Hiking out

Big Wilson Creek
Big Wilson Creek

Back at truck
Back at my truck

Pack Assessment
Overall I was extremely impressed with the Bandoleer pack. It really supported the theme of this trip which was simplicity. I liked being able to toss the pack over my shoulder and head down the trail. If I wanted more control I could add the second strap and waist belt while I walked. I found that with the light load of base gear, food, and 1 liter of water I could use any style of strap configuration and the pack was completely comfortable. I did this for the first 6 miles. I hiked about another 10 miles with the pack loaded with 5 lbs of additional water. I did notice myself tending to use the full straps and waist belt arrangement most of the time though I think even at this weight I would be fine without the waist strap.

This pack saw close to 24 miles of use in 24 hours. During this time I found no issues with comfort or construction. The black cuben is heavier than what I see used in tarps. The back panel and strap are made from XPAC. Together this combination creates a pack that feels extremely durable and is attractive.

The fit was perfect for me. I am just under 5’10” and weigh 165 (need to loose 5 lbs). All packs I own are size medium. The straps were not too long. I have slight concern that the straps might be too short.

I would not recommend many changes, probably more things to consider.

1. Is the single strapped attached with more stitching under the webbing? I see only a single row of stitching. I did not have any issues where the strap attaches but I expect this to be the most stressed area of the pack. If it is only attached with a single row of stitching I recommend more.
2. Side pockets fit a 1 liter platy just fine, but if storing a 1 liter Aqua Fina bottle the fit was tight, it worked just tight.
3. I am a fan of mesh pockets. I would like to see at least the pack pocket in mesh or partial mesh, but this might just be me. The cuben worked well.
4. Keep the waist belt as removable.
5. Might need to add a few inches to straps for larger folk (length was perfect for me)

That’s about it. I would recommend this pack for anyone hitting the trails with light loads. It rides well and just has the spirit of simplicity about it. I want to Thank Thom Darrah for allowing me to test this pack, I had a blast doing it.

If you have any questions please let me know.

Jamie

Edited by jshortt on 04/02/2011 15:13:26 MDT.

Thom Darrah
(thomdarrah) - MLife

Locale: Southern Oregon
24 Hours with the TrailLite Designs Bandoleer Pack on 04/02/2011 15:31:01 MDT Print View

Jamie,
Thanks for the TR and review of the Bandoleer, your effort is truly appreciated.

Thom
TrailLite Designs

Christopher Zimmer
(czimmer) - F

Locale: Ohio
Re: 24 Hours with the TrailLite Designs Bandoleer Pack on 04/02/2011 15:41:27 MDT Print View

Jamie, very nice TR, looks like you had a fun but wet 24hrs. Just to answer your first question, the shoulder strap is attached with several bar tacks under the webbing. The webbing is used to cover these tacks and to add additional support to the shoulder strap connection. Thank you for your comments for the strap lengths that is good information to know, much rather have them be too long then too short.

Chris

Jeffs Eleven
(WoodenWizard) - F

Locale: Greater Mt Tabor
Re: 24 Hours with the TrailLite Designs Bandoleer Pack on 04/02/2011 15:54:29 MDT Print View

Hmmm I like that more than I thought I would (having never touched one). I like the idea of multiple ways to carry it-

My wife's REI Flash UL pack has the single-pull, crossing compression straps, but they made the spacing too big on it so there is always a bulge at the bottom. It looks like Zimmer spaced them well.

Very nice fellas!!

todd harper
(funnymoney) - MLife

Locale: Sunshine State
Re: 24 Hours with the TrailLite Designs Bandoleer Pack on 04/02/2011 16:21:17 MDT Print View

Great review Jamie! Very thorough.

This sounds like a great pack. If only I can get my kit down to 5lbs+.

Looks like Thom designed a winner.

Based on your descriptions, I, too, would prefer mesh pockets as well.

Todd

David Chenault
(DaveC) - BPL Staff - F

Locale: Crown of the Continent
nice trip/review on 04/02/2011 17:19:03 MDT Print View

I'm jealous of all that dry dirt! The Appalachians are very nice.

I hadn't thought of just using one of the lower straps, good call. Thus far (mountain biking and day hiking to fish) I've yet to see the waist strap as necessary.

Thom and Chris did well with this pack.

Jamie Shortt
(jshortt) - MLife

Locale: North Carolina
re: 24 Hours with the TrailLite Designs Bandoleer Pack on 04/03/2011 05:30:40 MDT Print View

Chris, I thought the extra stitching for the shoulder strap might be under the webbing, but it was just hidden so well I could not see it. The way the pack panel is folded at the top back into the pack completely hides the stitching and provides one solid base for sewing strap reinforcement webbing in place (need to provide a pic). I have not seen this done before but is a great way to do it. I will need to try this method on my next pack.

Jamie

ROBERT TANGEN
(RobertM2S) - M

Locale: Lake Tahoe
band o leer on 04/03/2011 12:55:27 MDT Print View

yu rite gud

Philip Delvoie
(PhilipD) - MLife

Locale: Ontario, Canada
24 Hours with the TrailLite Designs Bandoleer Pack on 04/03/2011 16:57:02 MDT Print View

Great write up Jamie. Thanks for taking the time to put it together.

Christopher Heine
(heine19)

Locale: Colorado
redonkulous on 04/11/2011 17:05:40 MDT Print View

Things just keep getting lighter!

Jamie Shortt
(jshortt) - MLife

Locale: North Carolina
re: 24 Hours with the TrailLite Designs Bandoleer Pack on 04/11/2011 20:16:35 MDT Print View

I wanted to add a detail around cooking. I went without a pot top or windscreen. I used my 2.5 liter platy as a wind screen and my bandana as a pot top.

Cooking breakfast

I also used the bandana with a little Dr Bonner's on one corner as a tooth brush. This wasn't great but was fine for a single night out.

Jamie

Edited by jshortt on 04/11/2011 20:32:01 MDT.

Warren Greer
(WarrenGreer) - F

Locale: SoCal
Excellent review on 04/11/2011 20:35:49 MDT Print View

I'm no where near a 5 lb. baseweight, yet, but this definitely motivates me to keep working on it. May make a great day pack for those of us who don't have a light enough base weight. Thanks for all the thoughts and photo's. I'm bookmarking this one. Way to go Jamie.

Nick Gatel
(ngatel) - MLife

Locale: Southern California
Re: Excellent review on 04/12/2011 11:17:39 MDT Print View

Yes, great review.

Thom,

Kudos to the innovation on your part. In the past, with really light packs, I sometimes carry it on one shoulder and just switch from side to side. It is really helpful in hot weather to keep my back cool. So with a very light back, a single shoulder carry is feasible.