JetBoil are launching a titanium PCS system, the Sol Ti Premium Cooking System!

Its priced at $149:95 and is due this spring.


Weight 8.5 oz (240 g) * system weight does not include pot support, fuel
stabilizer and measuring cup
Volume 27 oz (0.8 Liter)
Boil Time 16 oz (0.5 Liter) = 2 minutes, 15 seconds (avg over life of Jetpower canister)
Water Boiled 12 Liters per 100g Jetpower canister
Dimensions 4.1” x 6.5” (104 mm x 165 mm)


http://shop.jetboil.com/index.php/sol-cooking-ti.html

Edited by AeroNautiCal on 03/23/2011 01:40:39 MDT.

Its nice to see a lighter version coming out. Jetboils are fun to use, however, its still a bit heavy for me. They are headed in the right direction though!

before we see members taking these new, lighter versions of the Jet Boil and hacking / modifying them so they are lighter yet.

I look forward to those posts.

The Jet Boil is and always will be a great stove on my book.

A little of topic, but I was very surprised and happy to see many large name manufacturers taking steps to produce lighter gear this year.

Ya but for us cannister users the convenience factor the fast boils the cozy the low fuel use the peizo ignition I might start carrying a jet boil again I bought the SP 700 cup stove spork combo and went from 15 to 8oz weight but always miss the convenience and the efficiency of my jet boil PC. The shallower cups while may not hold as much will be easier to eat out of and clean But as Ive read here alot of you guys like to fiddle with your equipment No pun intended but I caught it

jetboils are like a slightly overweight ... ummmm ... stove

always ready to go, quick and easy, and will make you happy in any position (unstable ground of course or even walking)

sometimes "princess" (stoves) arent worth the trouble at the end of a long day when yr tired and hungry ...

no pun intended at all

The Backcountry Boiler and this titanium JetBoil certainly works for me.

The main improvement for this JetBoil would be a refillable titanium gas canister, as I already refill my 100, 250 and 500 size gas canisters.

how do you refill a used canister?

Yes, pleas elaborate on the refillage! How awesome would that be to cut the weight of an empty fuel can in half from like 5 oz

how?

I love it. Everything I love about my Jetboil PCS but more/less:

-Lighter by about 6 ounces.
-Shorter (more compact) but still able to boil 1/2 liter or somewhat more.
-Still tall enough to hold stove with canister attached.
-See-through lid.
-Better low temp performance.

Also, the original stove with the new 0.8 liter pot size is now reduced in price.

On the other hand, mine is bought and paid for. Can't justify $150 to save 6 oz.

What I would really love is the new Jetboil Sumo cook pot. It's 1.8 liters, clips onto the stove (unlike the other larger pots that sit high above and fail in wind). It also allows the stove to fit inside attached to a 450 gram fuel can. Perfect for Sierra winter snow melting.*

*see separate post for "Jetboil Snow Melting".

I have to tell you, I dont think alcohol is any lighter than this stove for a longer trip.

I did some comparisons on my own and I have always heard jetboil is way to heavy. I found over a longer trip, this stove is actually lighter in weight over the trip than the alcohol stove, and darn sure easier to use.

I am seriously thinking of getting one.

I recently bought two gas adapters which enable the popular canisters I use to be refilled. The adapters I chose are an ultralight version for taking on trips, and a machined brass type which has a shut off valve, this type stays behind, due to its weight.

Each connects to the cheap, plentiful picnic stove canisters and, depending on the adapters of your choice, refill most known variants including the unique Coleman and Camping Gas canisters.

The ultralight version, which was $15:99 delivered.




The machined brass version, which was $43:00 delivered.



Here's the store, with Google Translate, I used the eBay store when I bought mine.

http://translate.google.com/translate?langpair=ja|en&u=http%3A%2F%2Ftumekaekun.com%2F

Satoru , the guy that makes these is based in Fukushima, Japan and I heard back from him yesterday that he's okay.

Here's another site I found with instructions.

http://www.spiritburner.com/fusion/showtopic.php?tid/17966/

Wonder if there's an adapter that will work with MSR / Snow Peak canisters??

Mark said "I am seriously thinking of getting one."

With my Jetboil PCS, 2 cups water from Sierra stream cold to boiling takes 4 grams fuel. And under 4 minutes from the time I set my pack down. (corrected from my original post of 3 minutes)

Comparison for me doing a 6 night solo trip:

Boil about 6 cups total per day. 2 cups morning (coffee, hot granola), 2-1/2 cups late afternoon (Soup, rehydrate meal), 1-1/2 cup evening (tea).
Simmer for 14 minutes (steam-baked muffin)

I could do with a lot less (or no) cooking, but this system keeps me better hydrated than when I have fewer hot drinks. Then there's the luxury of fresh baked muffins.

Jetboil Sol-Ti:

Stove/Cup 240 grams
110 grams of fuel
95 gram empty fuel can
=445 grams system

Each boil takes 4 grams fuel x3 = 12 grams/day
Steam baking muffin takes 4 grams fuel
Total 16 grams/day
6 days = 96 grams.

(Hiking JMT in 2008 I ran out of fuel boiling tea the 6th morning with a 100g fuel can, although I had extra muffins and treated neighbors to some water for tea.)

Alcohol system (Caldera Keg- H Kit)
176 grams complete, including keg, cone, stove, fuel bottle.

Per Practical Backpacker interview with Russ Zandbergen, boiling 2 cups typically takes 1/2 oz of alcohol fuel, or about 14 grams.

14 grams x 3 boils/day x 6 days = 252 grams
Steam baking muffin.. I guess another 14 grams x 6 days = 84 grams
336 grams total fuel, plus about 30 grams for a second fuel bottle

Total for Alcohol system
176 g stove kit + 336 g fuel + 30 g bottle = 542 grams

So the Jetboil comes out ~100 grams lighter at the start. At the end though the Caldera system is ~200 g while the Jetboil is still ~350 g. Personally I'd rather have a lighter pack right off a resupply than at the end.

TrailDesigns claims that the cone is close to 2x as efficient as most alcohol systems, meaning that another system might need over 600 g of fuel for my trip.

The convenience for me is great. I usually stop on the trail for breakfast and dinner, then have tea in camp. That means setting up the stove 3x per day which is simple with JB, less so with the cone or other alcohol kits. It takes under 3 minutes from setting my pack down to having two cups of hot water. Of course most people don't stop as many times to cook, and they don't boil as much, so that pushes the equation back.

My family of four went 6 nights last summer with a single 450 gram fuel can, and had about 100 grams left at the end. Boiling for four people with the JB is quick because it only takes about a minute for each cup of water.

Some downsides are the closet full of 1/2 empty canisters, having to carry a second (or larger) can if one isn't quite enough, and the cost. I use up the 1/2 cans on day hikes and for my little lantern.

Edited by jimqpublic on 03/23/2011 21:42:58 MDT.

It's not just "due" this Spring, it is available for purchase now. Here is what I asked Roger Caffin on 3-20-2011: "Roger, if people have talked about this, sorry, but what's this about: "The new Sol stoves from JetBoil use a built-in regulator that overcomes sub-freezing pressure problems so you can go light when the temperature plummets." (mountaingear.com)" Does anyone know anything about the new "built-in regulator"?

"Does anyone know anything about the new "built-in regulator"?"

I bet it's similar (or identical) to what MSR uses in their Reactor.

Can you provide a product # for this specific item?I have been eyeballing these items for over 6 months but this is the first time this lightweight adapter has appeared. Thanks,The ultralight version, which was $15:99 delivered.

... but why would anyone need" a Ti pot when anodized aluminum is lighter??

"It's not just "due" this Spring, it is available for purchase now."

Not in the UK!

Best I got was pay now, and sometime in May, it should arrive!

"Can you provide a product # for this specific item?I have been eyeballing these items for over 6 months but this is the first time this lightweight adapter has appeared."

John,

Here's the original (ended) eBay auction that I bought mine from, they're the same details as the shop stocked item. The image enlarge and zoom features still work.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&rt=nc&nma=true&item=370473956322&si=l6vO6zZ0JctvUgTgAEcqRADWlXo%253D&viewitem=

The shop in the previous link also stocked them at the time.

These are well crafted devices, the ultralight (my designation!) comprises five separate components, including a very well fabricated brass jet, and arrives in a heat sealed bag, itself in a clear storage box.

I guess that they're made in small batch production runs and when sold, the process is repeated.

I didn't really want to put an eBay contact link up at the moment, due to the unprecedented circumstances affecting those in Fukushima.

I think there may be some confusion over the sol and the sol TI.

THE sol is available now and its lighter than the standard one, the TI I dont beleive is available, at least I cant find it in any store so far.

I had never really considered just boiling 3 times for my family of 3, maybe I do need to rethink my set up for the jmt.

I guess you can never have too many stoves, this will make a penny stove, 2 different ti tri infernos for two different pot sizes, a soto, and now a jetboil.

"I had never really considered just boiling 3 times for my family of 3,..."

It works fine. 700 ml (3 cups) of ice water boils in about 4 minutes at sea level. With warmer water and lower boiling point at altitude it could be even faster. The stove/fluxring cup is very efficient. Their 12 liters/100 grams fuel is supported by my tests (presuming they used room temp water, not ice water)

With the family, each pot full was good for two mugs of soup or hot drink. The Sol is 20% shorter but will probably boil about 600 ml without risk of boiling over. I found that I could make drinks for the kids, then by the time I had poured packets into my cup and the wife's the next potful was hot.

Here's a thread I started last year with a couple of testing notes:
http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/forums/thread_display.html?forum_thread_id=18542

"Sol Titanium Personal Cooking System – JETBOIL
http://www.mountaingear.com/pages/product/product.asp/imanf/JETBOIL/idesc/Sol+Titanium+Personal+Cooking+System/Store/MG/item/224682/N/0
Item #: 224682
Price: $149.95
Description:
Extreme conditions and your stomach require the dependability and functionality of the JETBOIL's Sol cooking system. The built-in Thermo-Regulate technology keeps internal canister pressure equalized so you can cook with consistent output down to 15 degrees. The titanium system makes you pack supremely light.
Features:
• Now you can bring the weight-saving, hassle-free performance of a canister stove to 4-season activities with Thermo-Regulate technology
• Insulated drink-through lid with a protective plastic bottom cover doubles as a measuring cup; translucent lid so you can view contents and see if water is boiling
• You'll get the best quantity for your capacity when you boil up to 50 cups of water with one JETPOWER isobutane and proprane microcanister
• Once you've packed up all of the components, it'll take up a space smaller than a Nalgene bottle
• Boil 2 cups in 2 minutes - even at 75-80% efficiency, all thanks to the the FluxRing heat exchanger that captures and focuses the burner's heat
• Does not come with fuel canister or utensils

I sent an enquiry to Jetboil last week and got this response
"The Sol-Ti should be available sometime in April"

http://www.backcountrygear.com/catalog/Stovedetail.cfm?PRODUCTS__ProductID=JTB131

NM

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Edited by biointegra on 04/06/2011 11:28:57 MDT.

As of this morning, I was told by REI that they expect delivery to their warehouse on April 17; but no promises. You can call in and pre-order now and use your dividend and 20% off coupon. The item number is 813621, but you'll have to phone it in as it doesn't show up yet on the website.

How does Jetboil's Thermo-Regulate compare to Soto's Micro Regulator in the OD-1R?

Benjamin Tang wrote: >Wonder if there's an adapter that will work with MSR / Snow Peak canisters??

Callahan,

How well does the little black refiller work? Does a lot of gas escape when you use it?

Have you tried the little black one on anything other than the standard threaded canisters? Camping Gaz? Powermax?

HJ

"How well does the little black refiller work? Does a lot of gas escape when you use it?"

It appeared to work fine, I made sure that the top canister was in line with the canister being refilled and don't think I lost much, about the same as when I've topped up my Silva Helios.

To be honest, although an information sheet mentions the use of a freezer prior to topping up, I just tried it as I would with a lighter, more of a 'just try it', than a meticulous refueling exercise. I did wear eye protection though and was outdoors.

"Have you tried the little black one on anything other than the standard threaded canisters? Camping Gaz? Powermax?"

I only use the standard threaded canisters, and that's the only one I've tried it on.

OK, nice! Maybe I'll have to check into one of the black ones. They certainly are a lot cheaper.

HJ

Do either of you know the specific part number for the black plastic adapter? I can't find it at the site. Thanks, John I just now saw the previous posting of the Ebay auction. I saved it a Word document including the pic so I can eventually send it to him . I advise anyone else interested in the item to do the same as the listing will eventually vanish at Ebay.

Edited by Meander on 03/31/2011 18:14:05 MDT.

They must not have sold well. He's not listing anything new.

Although it could have been the Tsunami.

HJ

He tends to list very little, using E-bay as an introduction to his site.That makes sense since so few know what he is selling. I'm sure he is quite busy with the emergency. My assumption is that if he is approached for a deal like the old deal he'll do it , but of course things may be very different if his supplier is wiped out or sold out.I'm curious as to your strategy. I'm thinking of nursing along old canisters just for summer with cheap pure butane. The longer game is powermax, although it may make sense in the long term to abandon the aluminum canister vs. the new Coleman adapter despite the weight in winter since similar mixes do the low temp trick.What are your thoughts?

Edited by Meander on 03/31/2011 20:26:15 MDT.

I bought a bunch of Powermax canisters at a local place that was discontinuing them. I've got 27 canisters, so that ought to do me for the next few decades, lol. Probably overkill.

For summer, I'll use an upright canister on 100% butane refills or an alcohol stove. For winter, probably Powermax since I've got so much of it.

If I need to, I can refill the Powermax canisters.

HJ

Hey Jim. How are you refilling the Powermax canisters?

Bailey

Bailey,

I actually haven't refilled Powermax canisters yet, but I plan to try using a Kovea propane to standard threaded adapter with a Brunton Fuel Tool. I'll post something if I try it out.

In the mean time, I have a ton of Powermax canisters from when Sports Authority was getting rid of them.

HJ

After reading up on this thing, I have to try it out. I had the old jet boil and loved it but sold it to save weight. This might be a great alternative for longer hikes. It's just so clean and easy to use. I used my $60ish dividend and my 20% member coupon and had it to my door for approximately $60. Not a bad price.

REI said they expect them April 15th and I should have it a few days after that. Can't wait to try it out.

Let us know how it goes.

HJ
Adventures In Stoving

Edited by hikin_jim on 02/16/2012 22:52:10 MST.

I also called in an order for the Sol Ti, used the member discount and my refund. The phone lady hadn't encountered anyone doing that before, but it went through just fine.

She said they were expecting them to arrived on April 7, but it would take about a week or so to get them processed before they could ship.

This may be a YMMV thing as I tried the same thing and was told the 20% discount couldn't be used on special orders, pre-orders, etc.

Callahan,
Could you please post a picture of the small refill adapter alone? Does it have a tube protruding into the valve of the filled cartridge?

I just ordered it today over the phone. I had no problem using the 20% discount. I suggest callin back and trying someone else.

Got my Sol Ti today, a couple of things, first the outer insulating sleeve is too thin and makes holding the cup after heating too hot to touch, much less hold. Also the handle is simply a piece of rubberized material, when you try and pick up the cup with it, the cup is unstable. Other than that, the new regulator seems to dramatically speed up the boil times. The worst time I got with 2 cups of water was 1:20. Although I do live in central Florida, so I haven't been able to test it under adverse conditions. But so far, with the weight savings, its a winner!

Hi, Michael.

I'm surprised you got your Sol Ti so early. In most places they won't be out until later this month. I'm wondering if you've done any further experiments, and if so, if you've found a way to deal with the unstable handle issue.

I bought the Sol Al a month ago instead of waiting for the Sol Ti. Wanted to plug the extra money into a newer tent (Kilo) rather than saving the 2 ounces on the Jetboil. Figure I could ditch the cup skirt and get the ounces back that way.

At any rate, the handle is a little more fragile than the old PCS one, as is the whole system to some extent, but I don't see it as even close to a deal breaker. With my old PCS, I just slipped my hand through the handle and held the cup that way rather than how one might hold the handle of a coffee cup. In testing the Al (which I did on a cold, windy, rainy day and got exactly 2 minute boil times--the indicator showed a full boil at about a minute fifty--twice), I was able to hold the cup the same way. I felt a little more heat than with my old PCS due to the thinner insulation, but my hand was far from being burned, though admittedly others people may be a bit more bothered by it.

Jan,

I'll post a picture this week, as I don't have the cable for my phone camera to laptop with me right now.

I ordered mine online thru Hermit's Hut and it arrived on April 8. Haven't tried it yet but did weigh it. So, on my scale it was 8.5oz including cup.lid and stove but not including the support for the canister or the extra pot support thing. Also not including the cup/cover that goes over the bottom of the pot. With that added in , the weight is 9.7 ozs. Not sure that cover is needed, tho if you dented the bottom of the pot, it would then not fit on the burner I suppose. Thoughts?

Hey All,

I finally got my hands on the Jetboil Sol Ti last Thursday.

I did up a video review on it here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnd8hDa16cg

I had a chance to use it this weekend on a BPL group hike on the Lost Coast Trail.

Overall weight of the Sol Ti would be more than acceptable for those folks who are casual hikers, weekend hikers, and/or just about anybody who is already in (or looking to decrease too) the total cook kit weight of between 5 and 10 ounces. Obviously if you are an esbit lover than the idea of going from ~0.36 ounces to 8.5+ ounces is unthinkable, but for just about everybody else, I honestly do think the Jetboil Sol Ti is the first Jetboil worthy of making it into an UL backpack setup.


If I were to rate this one a 0-4 point system (5 being best) I would give it a 2.5.


I would remove a half a point because there is a black rubber-like handle on it that is just beyond a joke - of which every person on the trip who tried it agreed. Included with this is the fact that the sleeve is just not secure enough. When it is full of water and you pick up the pot the entire sleeve slides up above the top of the pot.

I would remove another full point because I had some rather series leakage from the fuel port - where it screws into the fuel canister - every time I have screw the stove unit onto a canister. There is this one small point (about one full rotation of the can) where it just spews out the fuel. At one point I had so much fuel leakage that I could feel the liquid fuel dripping off my fingers. I have used multiple fuel cans from multiple manufacturers (including jetboil canisters) and every single one of them have had this happen.

The Sol Ti fit well within the side pocket of my ZPacks Blast 26, as well as a ULA Circuit and Ohm that others had.

Boil times are what we expect from a Jetboil but even a little faster due to the slightly smaller (0.80) pot.

I do wish that Jetboil could find a way to reduce the weight on the fuel stabilizer. It is not included in their published weight because it hits the scales at exactly 1 ounce. Considering how helpful it can be at times they really do need to find a way to reduce the weight of this item.


If I were to take it out with me again I would: (1) cut the black rubber handle off, and (2) leave the 'measuring cup' at home.

Weights on my scale:

Pot: 4.70 oz
Stove: 3.55 oz
Lid: 0.65 oz
Fuel Stand: 1.0 oz
Pot Stand: 1.25 oz
Cup: 1.15

Jetboil gave people who "liked" them on Facebook an opportunity to buy it early directly from them. The handle seems like an after thought if anything. Also, something I left out from my earlier post is that if you lift the companion cup full of water(with gloves on, HOT!), with the handle, the sleeve tends to slide up the cup. I haven't seen it completely come off, but it is worrisome. A simple fix for Jetboil to do, is make the sleeve a little bit tighter. As for the handle itself, not sure how to reinforce it, was thinking about cutting it off and using something a bit sturdier, one and a half inch nylon strapping perhaps, similar to the original PCS.

I gave the Jetboil Sol Ti(JST?) the ultimate test last night. Since I live in Florida, I don't have sub-freezing temperatures outside, so, I took the cup, burner, and fuel canister and placed them in my freezer with the cup filled with ice cubes. I then waited an hour to get the whole system nice and cold. I then took it out and fired it up. After 7 minutes and 45 seconds, the JST brought the ice cubes to a full rolling boil. Very, very impressive! I don't have my camera with me right now, but when I do, I will replicate the test and post it on Youtube for you guys to see.

Edited by lilricky on 04/11/2011 17:35:16 MDT.

After sending several e-mails over the years asking JetBoil to make a much lighter version and I would buy it, I finally decided to put my money where my mouth is placed an order with campsaver and the 20% off coupon.

Interestingly enough, JetBoil was always very confident in their correspondence that they would never make one out of titanium since heat transfer wasn't good. Sounds a though it's fine.

I'm not positive this has any real meaning; but I just noticed that my REI order for the Sol Ti has changed from a status of "On Backorder" to "In Process, Not Shipped Yet". At least it sounds hopeful!!!

Just thought I would add my measurements and comparison the the original. The first listed weight is the PCS and the second is the ti in ounces:

Pot w/ cozy - 6.8, 4.4
burner unit - 6.0, 3.4
lid - 1.2, .6
stabilizer - 1.0, 1.0
base cup - 0.9, 1.1

It's interesting that the original stove's bottom cup is slightly lighter but everything else is considerably heavier. An earlier poster who had received his Sol ti said he experienced fuel leakage when removing the canister. I attached and then removed the fuel cartridge 6 times with NO leakage at all. This was with a giga power and jetboil, each being attached and removed 3 times. With only two of us reporting on this, it would be nice if others would chime in to determine if this is a design flaw seen on a number of units or just an isolated case.

I will be making a more substantial cozy, as the one provided is inadequate for handling the stove when full of hot boiled water. The handle is just an afterthought and should have been left off. I never used it on the PCS either so I am fine with that. Overall I shaved 6 oz for $20/oz.....a little costly but I also have a smaller packed size and hopefully, better cold weather performance. I should find out soon enough.

Got my Ti today. Weighs 8.8 oz as I would use it (doesn't include measuring cup, fuel stabilizer stand, or pot support). Plus weight of fuel canister. Will be very slightly less after I remove the ridiculously useless handle. Boiled 16oz of cold faucet water in under a minute and a half. I have a Caldera Tri Ti that I will no doubt be selling. The new Jetboil is a few oz heavier but ridiculously quick and easy.

I had no fuel leakage issues as another member posted. I also found the cozy to offer enough insulation that I could hold it after the water had come to a full boil. Of course, everyone's heat sensitivity will be different.

All in all, very impressed. I've been tempted by the Jetboil's convenience in the past but have shied away because of the weight. No longer.

Edited by strawman on 04/22/2011 19:17:25 MDT.

nm

Edited by FamilyGuy on 04/23/2011 14:29:06 MDT.

Got mine yesterday. Made some vids packing/unpacking/using. It works as advertised, fast.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=lsmn-RrPXpc


In my personal journey I started with a 2 x 1L pot Trangia and I'm spending next weeks learning 1-pot cooking and then expect to pick a Caldera Cone setup, I'm not sure on pot sizes or if want 1 or 2 pot. Leaning towards one 1L pot currently.

Edited by nigelhealy on 02/15/2012 15:28:06 MST.

I tried to make porridge

http://photobucket.com/porridge

I need to change approach because I could not get the flame low enough (without flame going out) which would not burn. That probably means can only do meals which bring water to boil, turn off heat and cosy and let soak up the water.